Posted on 03/06/2007 8:25:19 AM PST by areafiftyone
You said,
"People who have to talk about other people's marriage usually have something to hide in theirs that they don't want to talk about."
At least you are not a CYNIC of other people's success (/s),,,and don't engage in unwarranted, unsubstantiated, rumor, false innuendo, and completely uncorroborated SPECULATION!! (/BIG SARC)
Yep, you and Rudy deserve each other!!..lol
How much difference is there between Cuomo and Pataki?
"Listen Romney paid College students from all over to come and cheerlead him. No other candidate was that desperate to do it. Even Duncan Hunter who is much lower in the polls than Romney knew he would do well without paying for a cheerleading squad bussed in. And he did on his own merits."
I said I don't like Romney or Rudy.
I don't like any of the candidates, to be honest. Hunter would be acceptable to me, but I'm not on board with him either.
About as much as the difference between Rudy Giuliani and Hillary Clinton. In each case, one has a (D) and one has an (R), but their political philosophies are not that different.
Oooops,,,,never mind--the Rudy-apologist don't appreciate ANY possible underlying allusion to the Rudy 'train wreck'.....LOL
Tommy, you may vote for whom you please. My intention is not to convince anyone to do otherwise. However, it is blatantly unfair to nitpick at the man's personal life and retro-actively ascribe dicatorial powers (left unused) to the Mayor of New York on a variety of issues (immigrationm for example), while the skeletons of Conservative heroes go completely ignored in comparison.
I submit:
Rudy is a gun-grabber - he enforced federal and state law, passed by legally-constituted and elected legislatures. Rudy did not, of his own volition, make a decision to one day disarm a helpless populace in order to make them easier prey to criminals and Fed'ral Stromtroopers. He might agree philosophically with those laws, but if you ran a city of 8 million with a murder rate as high as NYC's was (2,200+ annually at it's height!), you might see some logic in limiting the number of illegal weapons available, too.
Rudy supported Cuomo - Considering that the City of New York is perpetually short-changed with regards to state funding for everything, it hardly makes sense to antagonize the governor that you will have to deal with in order to make sure you get that fair share. I consider Rudy's support of Cuomo more as a smart political move to the benefit of NYC than I do as an illumination of the man's political leanings. Political pragmatism often dictates that you work this way. Bobe Dole was famous for operating in this way, and I don't hear anyone damming him to the lowest ring of Hell for it.
Rudy has a sordid personal life - Well, so did Reagan, so did Gingrich, Barr, Packwood and Hastert, just to begin with, and let's not forget the last 'Conservative' Congress that protected an alleged sexual-predator-pedophile in order to protect it's majority. Seems to me that no one has clean enough hands...ever.
Rudy is no conservative - yet, the record on non-social issues fairly drips with conservatism in every way from law enforcement, fiscal responsibility, limiting the size and scope of government, to getting government to actually work. Or is conservatism now only narrowly-defined as having the "right" opinions on gay rights and abortion, and we can safely chuck the rest when it's convenient?
All I ask is that you be fair. Why is this difficult?
Hunter did very well at CPAC. I got to see his speech on the CSPAN and he got great reviews.
I think the page you linked to has been hacked with the Guliani message.
Human nature of ten works that way, PNSN.
You're welcome: We aim to please here at Wombat Central!
And apparently Romney likes to shove People's private family problems in to their own faces. Romney is showing his sleazy used car salesman side.
I agree. I didn't hear him but read the reviews. Unfortunately, his time slot was a disadvantage to him.
Rudy - go join the Democrat Party where your values men something, and take the stupid Log Cabin Democrats's with you, please.
Go there and change their party, oh that's right they already argee with you on most issues.
Rudy is a cross dresser, He is really a Liberal Democrat dresssed as a Conservative Rupublican.
Well there will be a huge gathering of All (Democrat and Republican) candidates for the Firefighter's union. Duncan Hunter will be on at 11:00. A Much better time slot!
I have no desire to hide any skeletons of any candidate, regardless of his/her party affiliation. Let them all hang for their past sins.
As far as "nitpicking" on personal issues, those are fair game and in play -- the same for Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani or anyone. Their past personal indiscretions speak volumes of their character. We all remember the Bill Clinton.
As for your "gun-grabbing" comment -- Giuliani has shown that he doesn't even understand the 2nd Amendment, making comments about protecting hunters' rights. Good grief!
Supporting a Democrat openly against a Republican is the most significant indiscretion Giuliani has ever made. He allowed his personal feelings get between himself and party loyalty. Now, in 2008 he might expect the same in return.
As far as other politicians having sordid personal lives, that is no excuse. Americans deserve better.
As for Giuliani being a conservative? He may be fiscally conservative, but we all know his positions on many social issues and he is FAR from conservative, even being to the left of many liberals.
Rudy....love him as mayor...and from NY he would make a
passable senator(I stress the 'from NY' part...)..... but he has too many unforgivable liberal tendencies to be POTUS.
Its on Romney's website! He is the only candidate sleazy enough to have this on his site. He's a sleazeball.
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