Posted on 02/26/2006 9:12:24 PM PST by ibme
Don't forget the bunnies.
On the other hand, the carnivores seem to have profited from the deal. I suspect the T-Rex was tired of eating lettuce.
The pope is the pope of only the Roman Catholic Church.>>
Nope. He's the Vicar of Christ.
Either he is, or YOU are. I'll take him.
How can an ape sin against a God who was not responsible for his creation?
That God, through his love, allowed His only Son to sacrifice Himself to save the human race is the entire point.
Was Jesus the product of evolution? Was he a naked ape or a man who was descended from the first man who was created on the sixth day in the image of God?
Whether or not a particular snake talked to a particular woman under a particular tree in a particular garden has nothing to do with this.
Jesus confirmed it, and Paul indicated that because of the sin of Adam all are under the curse. What sin did Adam commit which caused all this calamity? Or did Jesus and Paul lie about the fall of man?
And given that God obviously pained Himself to make available countless pieces of physical data that point inexorably to a a universe and Earth that are billions of years old and a human race diverged from common ancestry with apes millions of years ago, it is quite readily apparent to anyone who cares to study the facts in this modern day and age that certain stories with the pages of Bible are indeed parables.
And you get to pick and choose which ones to believe? The stories of Adam and Noah and Jonah are essential to the Christian Gospel. If any of those are fables, then Christianity is false.
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. (2 Peter 1:16 KJV)
Christianity is not a fantasy; creationist bibliolatry is the fantasy here.
Bibliolatry? Is that a word you invented to cover the fact that you do not believe the Bible?
I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. (Psalms 138:2 KJV)
If God can magnify his word even above his name, then I think that Christians ought to give it a little deference, don't you?
So do you think Jesus saved you from your sin? What sin was that? How can a being which was not created by God sin against the God who didn't create him? If man was not a special creation, then he can no more sin against this "god" person that you reference than a rock can sin by falling off a cliff.
Bibliolatry? Is that a word you invented to cover the fact that you do not believe the Bible?>>
Just because I'm a Christian doesn't require that I also be wilfully stupid. I for one believe the Bible--properly understood, it is a source of infallible guidance *in matters of faith and morals.* I'd hate to use it as an engineering guide--you may want to cross a bridge that was designed by someone who thinks that Pi = 3, but *I* don't.
Evolution makes no statement that God is not responsible for creation. This is an inappropriate assumption.
Was Jesus the product of evolution?
All life on earth is the product of evolution.
Was he a naked ape or a man who was descended from the first man who was created on the sixth day in the image of God?
The man created on the 'sixth day' in in the image of God is a product of evolution. Why is this a problem? Is it nobler to presuppose that the ascendant of Christ was created literally from dirt? Apes are much nobler than dirt.
Jesus confirmed it, and Paul indicated that because of the sin of Adam all are under the curse. What sin did Adam commit which caused all this calamity? Or did Jesus and Paul lie about the fall of man?
Mankind obviously fell under the curse of sin. The story of Adam is an excellent allegory of that point. Allegory and metaphor are excellent tools for teaching, when one wants to make a lasting impression. Were Jesus and Paul unable to use these literary devices in their teachings?
And you get to pick and choose which ones to believe? The stories of Adam and Noah and Jonah are essential to the Christian Gospel. If any of those are fables, then Christianity is false.
Non-sequitur. The points Jesus makes don't depend on the literal innerrancy of these stories. If they did, it then leads to the question of why God went through great lengths to plant the physical evidence that inexorably points to the 3.5 billion year evolutionary history of life on earth.
Bibliolatry? Is that a word you invented to cover the fact that you do not believe the Bible?
No. Look it up. Once again, you jump to the hasty conclusion that I do not believe the Bible just because I don't see the words within from your point of view.
If God can magnify his word even above his name, then I think that Christians ought to give it a little deference, don't you?
Yes. This does not equate to checking in all our God-given common sense at Genesis 1:1.
So do you think Jesus saved you from your sin? What sin was that?
The original sinful tendency present in all people as represented by the allegory of the Eden story. I certainly don't believe that I need to be forgiven for two of my great great great (times whatever) grandparents eating a bad piece of fruit.
How can a being which was not created by God sin against the God who didn't create him?
God did create us, along with all the natural laws that govern the universe. Evolution of life on earth is a natural consequence of those laws.
How do you know you are a Christian? Do you believe the words of Christ? When Jesus speaks of Adam and Eve and Noah and Jonah, do you believe him? Or do you put your faith and trust in Darwin?
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. (John 8:45-47 KJV)
I'd hate to use it as an engineering guide--you may want to cross a bridge that was designed by someone who thinks that Pi = 3, but *I* don't.
Apparently you didn't do the math.
I'll repeat it:
((172 * 3.14159) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196378
The Biblical dimensions of the Bowl is accurate to within 2/100 of a cubit. The fact that you interpreted the passage to say that pi=3 shows that you would rather put your faith and trust in atheistic skeptics than in the Word of Truth.
The Biblical dimensions of the Bowl is accurate to within 2/100 of a cubit. >>
A 2% deviation from spec can cause collapse and large numbers of people to die.
Again, I am not stupid enough to cross a bridge built by someone who thinks that "close enough is good enough."
BTW. You can have your cartoon Jesus who took 6000 years to make you. I for one am far more impressed by one that took sixteen billion years to achieve the same end.
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but there's 150 years of research since Darwin that has lent further credence to the theory of evolution. The theory stands strong with or without Darwin.
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
I could just as easily and verifiably say that this applies to you. I'm not, but I could. Personally, I see God's fingerprint on everything around us. The Bible is one testament of His. The universe and world around us is another.
The Biblical dimensions of the Bowl is accurate to within 2/100 of a cubit.
It's good to know that the ancient Israelites had tape measures. Whether they actually used pi to figure out the diameter is unclear.
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
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If I draw a cartoon of Jesus, how would you respond?
Apes were created from dirt also. But apes were not created in the image of God. That distinction is made only for humankind and specifically stated as such. Nowhere does it say that animals were created in God's image.
In a bathtub? You really don't know your bible, do you?
BTW it is not a "2%" deviation in the specifications. It is actually a ".067%" deviation. But you don't care. You just like to ridicule the Bible.
I'm sure the bridges you drive over every day are not even close to that exact of a specification.
The problem is that you really can't stand the Truth, can you?
It would depend on the cartoon.
Post 62 it is a source of infallible guidance *in matters of faith and morals.*
So exactly what is the difference between *inerrant* and *infallible* in your mind? According to Merriam-Webster Online *inerrant* means "free from error"; *infallible* means "incapable of error". How can you criticize someone for believing that the Bible is inerrant and then go on to pronounce that you believe the Bible is infallible? You're contradicting yourself.
"Something is wrong when evolution and Christianity are fighting. The outcome it known: Christianity will evolve."
Any form of "Christianity" that can evolve is not the Christianity of Jesus Christ. God and scripture are constants, not variables. Whatever, I don't expect (and I say this respectfully) for someone outside the community of faith to understand or accept this.
Assuming that the early stories in Genesis are myths, can you describe this God that you see remaining.
What are His abilities, in your view? His age? His limitations?
Any form of "Christianity" that can evolve is not the Christianity of Jesus Christ. >>
Utterly wrong. That's the Muslim approach. One of the keys to Christianity's (rightly understood) exclusive status as the True Faith lies in the fact that it can adjust from age to age--if you want to live in an unevolved faith, you know where Islam is.
The origin of life is infinitely more difficult for the Evolutionists to explain than just the origin of species. How does something dead turn into something alive???
Spiritual allegories, not myths.
What are His abilities, in your view?
Infinite. Powerful enough to create the universe in an instant and have full knowledge of how His plan would unfold several billion years down the road without having to second guess the very natural laws He authored. Studying science has not diminished my view of God. It has done quite the opposite.
His age?
Age is only something of concern to those constrained by time. God is not constrained by time. He has no age. He is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and End.
His limitations?
None.
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