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Screwtape's "Age of Darwinian Scientism"
The Daley Times-Post ^ | Jan. 27, 2006 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 01/27/2006 11:04:17 AM PST by Lindykim

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To: Siena Dreaming
I find it fascinating that Marx and Engels may have gotten their theories from a study of Darwin.

Nothing Marx ever wrote makes any reference to Darwin or his work. Nothing. Marx was already an active socialist agitator and author before Darwin published anything about evolution. There is no connection at all between communism and the theory of evolution. In fact, "from each according to his needs" is a flat-out contradiction of how natural selection operates. The claim that Marx built his whacko theories on Darwin's work makes no sense at all. It's a bizarre fantasy.

41 posted on 01/27/2006 12:30:52 PM PST by PatrickHenry (True conservatives revere Adam Smith, Charles Darwin, and the Founding Fathers.)
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To: bvw
Don't hold back, be coy, etc. What is the answer?

LOL! I ask a simple question and because you avoid it I'm being coy?

Good one.

42 posted on 01/27/2006 12:31:57 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: bvw

Actually, they both evolved from Wolves.
It was through breeding and conditioning, but evolved none the less.

(And techincally, I believe wolves evolved from Cynodictis which had actually evolved from Miacis)


43 posted on 01/27/2006 12:35:23 PM PST by PissAndVinegar
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To: Siena Dreaming

"Very interesting post. I find it fascinating that Marx and Engels may have gotten their theories from a study of Darwin."

Communist Manifesto: 1848
The Origin of Species: 1859

You have some evidence for their time machine I assume? :)


44 posted on 01/27/2006 12:40:54 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Lindykim
What an ignoramus!

It was Biblical religion, and more specifically the Genesis account of creation, that overthrew the classic pagan worldview model with its all-powerful State controlled by totalitarian god-like Promethean men.

Democracy was invented in:

  _______
  |     |   R C M
  |     O
  |     |
  |   --|
  |     |
  | 
  | 
  | 
__|__   _ T H _ N S

"I'd like to buy a vowel."

Thus it was that a group of Enlightenment conspirators, two of whom were Frederick Engel's and Karl Marx

The Enlightenment happened in this century:

  _______
  |     |   S F
  |     O
  |     |
  |     |
  |     |
  | 
  | 
  | 
__|__   _ _ G H T _ _ _ T H

"Is there an 'N'?"

.

I could go on, but constructing the Hangman ASCII art is a pain.

45 posted on 01/27/2006 12:41:00 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Lindykim

ping-a-roo keeper


46 posted on 01/27/2006 12:41:16 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: Siena Dreaming
The end of the christian worldview is peace and goodness. Many christians fail along the way, but the worldview doesn't lead them there.

The end of the Christian worldview holds that only true believers go to 'heaven'. The rest (Christians who fail along the way?) burn for eternity in hell.

However, the other worldview's end is destruction.

In a few billion years.

47 posted on 01/27/2006 12:42:33 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: PatrickHenry
There is no connection at all between communism and the theory of evolution

And yet Marx says this of Origen of Species,

"Although it is developed in the crude English style, this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views."

Marx here actually calls evolution the basis of his views which devloped of course into communism.

48 posted on 01/27/2006 12:42:38 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Jack Black
Who or what is "screwtape"?

A statement of the poster's erroneous belief that the author is fit to refill C. S. Lewis' inkwell.

49 posted on 01/27/2006 12:42:57 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Post #48.


50 posted on 01/27/2006 12:44:02 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Lindykim

Interesting read Ping.


51 posted on 01/27/2006 12:44:25 PM PST by Dad was my hero
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To: Jack Black

Er, upon checking the original link, I discovered that the author herself is so presumptuous as to suppose that her mewlings deserve this association with Lewis' work. I can only shake my head.


52 posted on 01/27/2006 12:44:47 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Asking a question for which you already have the answer is itself the definition of coy.


53 posted on 01/27/2006 12:44:48 PM PST by bvw
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To: AMHN

[The depth however, I must concede, does include all the counterfeit religions found in the world today. Gold tinted with worthless alloys. Tinted to the point of being unrecognizable. Tinted to the point where again by man's free will, and lack of searching from a shipwrecked heart, he becomes as far off course as those purporting evolution.]

I can't disagree with this as far as morality and ethics goes with regard to "true" religion, but I don't include the topic of evolution versus creationism in the realm of ethics or morality. As a scientific theory, it's morally neutral.


[TRUTH does exist and can be found if one searches for it with all their heart. Not accepting counterfeits along the way. With a willingness to bend and flow where TRUTH leads them.]

That's my philosophy and it's led me to conclude that evolution best explains the diversity of species, regardless of how some have hijacked the theory to support their own political beliefs even to the point of using it as an excuse for genocide.


54 posted on 01/27/2006 12:45:32 PM PST by spinestein (All journalists today are paid advocates for someone's agenda.)
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To: Siena Dreaming

They would still need a time machine, as Communism was developed long before Darwin ever published. There is of course no connection between anything that Marx or Engels actually wrote and evolution as described by Darwin.


55 posted on 01/27/2006 12:46:15 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
The rest (Christians who fail along the way?) burn for eternity in hell.

False. Christians who fail (and which christian does not?) go to Heaven.

In a few billion years.

No, the article listed destruction which has happened in just this century alone.

56 posted on 01/27/2006 12:46:22 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: PatrickHenry
In fact, Darwin's theory has much more in common with Adam Smith's economics than it does to the lunacy of communism.

Precisely. Smith's model of economics is clearly based upon the basic concept of "survival of the fit" and change resulting from successive generations of culling; Marx's model is a top-down "intelligent design" economy.

57 posted on 01/27/2006 12:47:02 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
no connection between anything that Marx or Engels actually wrote and evolution as described by Darwin.

I've already pointed out a connection which Marx himself pointed out.

58 posted on 01/27/2006 12:47:55 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Jack Black

"how do we create a moral society anyway."

Whose morality...Christ's or Nietsche's? You can easily have Nietsche's morality without God, in fact, it demands Athiesm, or at least, a cruel, unforgiving God.

How does one build Christian morality from scratch, without God or the Bible?


59 posted on 01/27/2006 12:48:23 PM PST by fizziwig
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To: PissAndVinegar

It is clear that chihuahua and mastiff were products of selective breeding over many generations from some early dog stock. That is, those breeds were "intelligently designed".


60 posted on 01/27/2006 12:48:52 PM PST by bvw
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