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FISA Court Prevented Al Qaeda Taps Before 9/11
Sweetness & Light ^ | December 27, 2005 | N/A

Posted on 12/27/2005 6:32:49 PM PST by Sam Hill

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To: Peach

This is grounds for a trial on treason and a public hanging.


61 posted on 12/27/2005 8:22:43 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Sam Hill

An amazing thread. The best of Free Republic.


62 posted on 12/27/2005 8:23:26 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: anita; Seattle Conservative; rodguy911; Justanobody; Howlin; Dane

I think you all may be intrested in this thread.


63 posted on 12/27/2005 8:23:45 PM PST by MNJohnnie (We do not create terrorism by fighting the terrorists. We invite terrorism by ignoring them.--GWBush)
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To: Sam Hill

I'll say this for Judge Lamberth. When the Clinton's were in ofice he fined the DOJ $250,000 and cited what he called perjury in testimony about Hillary's health care task force. He tried to get the Clinton justice department to look into it, but you know how far that got.

I used to have all the details, but threw my research away some years ago. Perhaps it will all come out again when Hillaryt runs for Pres.


64 posted on 12/27/2005 8:50:07 PM PST by wildbill
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To: Sam Hill

Great Story!


65 posted on 12/27/2005 9:15:38 PM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Yes! Thanks for the ping!!


66 posted on 12/27/2005 9:20:15 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Of all the names that come to mind goofball wasn't one of them. This judge seems to be a renegade, unfortunately not for America's interest.


67 posted on 12/27/2005 9:24:10 PM PST by swheats
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To: Itis?itis

FYI


68 posted on 12/27/2005 9:27:24 PM PST by swheats
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To: Sam Hill
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/692148/posts

#5

69 posted on 12/27/2005 9:50:32 PM PST by jess35
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To: swheats

I can't honestly say he is a renegade. His service was during the Clinton years and the Reno justice department. The entire court was apparently sick and tired of their antics and failure to fulfil their obligations when bringing requests before the court. They turned down 75 requests....but you won't hear the media talking about that.


70 posted on 12/27/2005 10:08:41 PM PST by jess35
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To: jess35

Excuse me...actually they later found that 75 requests for wiretaps and warrants were based on false information that the Reno Justice department reported to the FISA court in 2000.


71 posted on 12/27/2005 10:11:32 PM PST by jess35
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Article | FBI Handcuffed

"In November 2000, the chief judge of the FISA court, Royce Lamberth, blasted the FBI for 75 trivial breaches of the Wall. The Reno Justice Department, it turned out, was unable to abide by the Reno Wall. The "violations" consisted of minor disseminations of FISA information to criminal anti-terror agents, and failures to disclose that FISA suspects were also being investigated for crimes.

After the court's temper tantrum, the Justice Department went into shock and hunkered down completely. The Wall went even higher. Surveillance requests were strangled under miles of red tape."

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_nypost-fbi_handcuffed.htm


72 posted on 12/27/2005 10:26:00 PM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill

Much that passes as "due process" is nothing more than judicial red tape.


73 posted on 12/27/2005 10:28:22 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: jess35

"I can't honestly say he is a renegade."

That's your right. 75 out of ?# of requests. The court being sick and tired...During the Clinton Admin did any law enforcement do their job? Clinton did his best to shut down or cut any agency tasked with law enforcement. Starting with firing all US attorneys nationwide. It seems law enforcement didn't happen until Clinton ended and the Bush admin began. I realize I used a broad brush, but I believe you get my point.

I based my thought on this, as far as calling him a renegade.

..."The effect was to stymie terror surveillance at exactly the moment it was needed most..."

and this
"These wiretaps were so "significant" that Lamberth stopped them and any others like them in the year and a half prior to 9/11 -- just because of a personal snit."


74 posted on 12/27/2005 10:35:53 PM PST by swheats
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To: swheats

I suspect the Reno justice department played fast and loose with every single wiretap request. With everything else that was going on within the Clinton administration, one can hardly fault the court with deciding they weren't going to be a tool for a corrupt administration. Believe me, I don't like the FISA court and I think they've overstepped their bounds at times but would you want to put your @ss on the line rubberstamping requests from that particular administration?


75 posted on 12/27/2005 10:49:12 PM PST by jess35
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To: swheats

FYI, Lamberth didn't stop those taps. The FBI decided to apply even more stringent restrictions to their requests than FISA required. This was after the justice department reported to the court that the FBI was disseminating information in violation of the Gorelick wall and failed to tell the court that some of the FISA suspects were also being investigated for crimes that had nothing to do with the request for wiretaps.


76 posted on 12/27/2005 10:54:53 PM PST by jess35
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To: jess35

hmmmm let me see which has more credibility. Lamberth, Reno Justice Department or Louie Freeh. I'll pass on this one...I find it difficult to defend the judge.

The judge would be happy to know he has a following on FR I'm sure.

what part of this sentence excuses the judges behavior?

"These wiretaps were so "significant" that Lamberth stopped them and any others like them in the year and a half prior to 9/11 -- just because of a personal snit."


77 posted on 12/27/2005 11:08:23 PM PST by swheats
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To: ichabod1

And YET.....any time the word communist is mentioned....the leftists laugh and pretend that communism is dead and that we on the right are just being paranoid.

How typically duplicitous and dishonest of them! I would have never thought they had a method to their madness.

Thanks for the new perspective and insight!




"History is what they say it is. In their minds. People act surprised that the rats and the left propose no solutions, only criticisms. Yet, I recently learned that this is a communist PC tactic called "Critical Theory", where no solutions are ever intended to be offered, only criticism, because after the revolution the world will be so different that proposing a solution NOW is only counter-productive. Only later might a solution present itself."



78 posted on 12/27/2005 11:42:31 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: deport

Thanks so much for providing that, deport. I'd been confused because I had thought the court upheld Ashcroft in this matter.

On Nov. 18, 2002, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court of Review, convening for the first time ever, overturned the lower FISA Court's May 17 ruling. The Court of Review said that Attorney General John Ashcroft's guidelines did not, in fact, violate FISA law or the Constitution, as the FISA Court had ruled.


79 posted on 12/28/2005 4:54:49 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Sam Hill
Bttt.

5.56mm

80 posted on 12/28/2005 5:01:07 AM PST by M Kehoe
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