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vanity ^ | 12/12/2005 | Hopeful Patriot

Posted on 12/12/2005 8:53:27 AM PST by HopefulPatriot

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1 posted on 12/12/2005 8:53:29 AM PST by HopefulPatriot
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To: HopefulPatriot

Beautiful. Thank you.


2 posted on 12/12/2005 8:59:34 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: Santiago de la Vega; Tatze; Irontank; Constitutionalist Conservative; VRWCmember; Mikey; ...
Ping for the The Pledge.
3 posted on 12/12/2005 8:59:39 AM PST by Reaganghost (Democrats are living proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time.)
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To: HopefulPatriot

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
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Welcome to the functional essence of Washington, DC.


4 posted on 12/12/2005 9:00:37 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: HopefulPatriot
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5 posted on 12/12/2005 9:02:04 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: HopefulPatriot

Our first article, Free Republic And Freedom, has been viewed 1,616 times.
Our second article, Free Republic's Roots, has been viewed 1,655 times;
The third, Another Ronald Reagan, has only been viewed 747 times.
The most recent, Where's the Instant Replay? has been viewed a paltry 544 times.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. No One likes your message or else you have not commuicated it effectively.


6 posted on 12/12/2005 9:04:00 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: HopefulPatriot
1-6: yes
7: no
8:consequences are unacceptable
9:Abolish the Senate and the IRS and go to a "fair/consumption" tax.
7 posted on 12/12/2005 9:10:55 AM PST by manwiththehands ("Have a RamaHanuKwanzMas" - Glenn Beck (And Merry Christmas!) (... and "Happy Holidays!"))
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To: EagleUSA

And Jefferson warned us that "When the servants of the people are paid on something other than that which the people themselves produce, the roles of master and servant will be reversed."

I remind you of that as a lead-in to this:



(I wrote this a number of years ago when things were NOT going well with the economy. Trust me: They WILL get ugly once again as man -- or certain men -- cannot resist playing God. We continue to violate the universal, immutable laws of economics at our great peril.)

Despite the apparent economic strength of the American economy, history proves that EVERY house of cards eventually comes down. And the higher the card house, the harder the fall when it finally comes. And when it does, the more freedoms we will voluntarily surrender to "restore order." It was the Founders' concern about this historically valid problem which prompted their attempt -- now ignored -- to keep American "money" sound and honest.) Dick Bachert 1998

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The Forgotten History of Money
This is the fascinating story of the efforts by certain of the Founding Fathers to prevent the economic distress we find all about us today. It is also a sad story on the basis that modern, "sophisticated" Americans have abandoned the corrective institutional mechanism that remains in place to this day. As you read it, think about a world with many fewer S&L, banking and political scandals and economic problems now considered the norm.

"Blood running in the streets. Mobs of rioters and demonstrators threatening banks and legislatures. Looting of shop and home. Strikes and unemployment. Trade and distribution paralyzed. Shortages of food. Bankruptcies everywhere. Court dockets overloaded. Kidnappings for heavy ransom. Sexual perversion, drunkenness, lawlessness rampant. The wheels of government are clogged, and we are descending into the vale of confusion and darkness. No day was ever more clouded than the present. We are fast verging on anarchy and confusion. (George Washington in a 1786 letter to James Madison, describing the effects of fiat paper money inflation then ravaging America in the pre Constitutional period.)

"The annihilation (of the paper money) was so complete that barber shops were papered in jest with the bills; and sailors, on returning from cruises, being paid off in bundles of this worthless money, had suits made of it, and with characteristic lightheartedness, turned their loss into frolic by parading through the streets in decayed finery which in its better days had passed for thousands of dollars." (Contemporary writer, Breck, 1786)

"Paper money polluted the equity of our laws, turned them into engines of oppression, corrupted the justice of our public administration, destroyed the fortunes of thousands who had confidence in it, enervated the trade and husbandry, and the manufactures of our country, and went far to destroy the morality of out people." (Peletiah Webster, 1786)

At the drafting of the U.S.Constitution, there were many "Friends of Paper Money" present. On August 16, 1787, when the discussion arose on Article 1, Section 8, the proposed wording was this: "The Legislature of the United States shall have the power to...coin money...and emit bills of credit of the United States."

A hot argument ensued on the power to emit bills of credit, which is another way of saying "printing paper money".

Here are the actual words James Madison wrote describing the debate in his diary: "Mr.G.Morris moved to strike out *and emit bills of credit.* If the United States had credit, such bills would be unnecessary; if they had not, unjust and useless.

MADISON: Will it not be sufficient to prohibit the making them a tender? This will remove the temptation to emit them with unjust views. And promissory notes in that shape may in some emergencies be best.
MORRIS: Striking out the words will leave room still for notes of a responsible minister which will do the good without the mischief. The monied interest will oppose the plan of the Government, if paper emissions be not prohibited.
COL.MASON: Though he had a mortal hatred to paper money, yet as he could not foresee all emergencies, we was unwilling to tie the hands of the Legislature [Legislature = Congress].
MR.MERCER:(A friend to paper money) It was impolitic...to excite the opposition of all those who were friends to paper money.
MR. ELSEWORTH thought this was a favorable moment to shut and bar the door against paper money. The mischiefs of the various experiments which had been made, were now fresh in the public mind and had excited the disgust of all the respectable part of America. By withholding the power from the new Government, more friends of influence would be gained to it than by almost anything else...Give the Government credit, and other will offer. The power may do harm, never good.
MR.WILSON: It will have a most salutary influence on the credit of the United States to remove the possibility of paper money. This expedient can never succeed whilst its mischiefs are remembered, and as long as it can be resorted to, it will be a bar to other resources.
MR.READ thought the words, if not struck out, would be as alarming as the mark of the Beast in Revelation.
MR.LANGDON had rather reject the whole plan than retain the three words *and emit bills*".

The motion for striking out carried.

Historian George Bancroft later wrote: "James Madison left his testimony that *the pretext for a paper currency, and particularly for making the bills a tender, either for public or private debts, was cut
off.* This is the interpretation of the clause, made at the time of its adoption by all the statesmen of that age, not open to dispute because too clear for argument, and never disputed so long as any one man who took part in framing the constitution remained alive."

ROGER SHERMAN(1721 1793)should be a name familiar to every American. As familiar as Washington, Madison, Jefferson and Adams. He is the only man to have signed all 4 documents surrounding the formation of the United States of America: The Continental Association of 1772, The Declaration of Independence, The Articles of Confederation and The United States Constitution. He was a Judge of the Superior Court in New Haven, Connecticut, serving that office with distinction from 1766 until 1788. He served as Treasurer of Yale University from 1765 to 1776. He was renouned for his high intelligence and unswerving honesty and was described by John Adams "as honest as an angel and as
firm in the cause of American independence as Mount Atlas." He served in the U.S.Senate from 1791 until his death in 1793.

Why is Roger Sherman*s name unfamiliar? HE WAS AN ENEMY OF PAPER MONEY!! In 1751, Roger Sherman and his brother William sued James Battle for paying a debt to their shop in New Milford, Connecticut, in depreciating paper currency. Over a period of 15 months, Battle had charged "divers wares and merchandizes" amounting to 129 pounds of what
Sherman assumed were pounds of Connecticut "Old Tenor", a stable currency whose value were well preserved by taxation taking it out of circulation. But Battle assumed the debt was denominated in pounds of ever depreciating Rhode Island currency, tendered in same, and the Shermans took a beating in the payment and sued for recovery of loss by depreciation. The Shermans lost when Battle argued that he was merely following the accepted custom of the day. In 1752, Sherman wrote his book "A Caveat Against Injustice or An Inquiry into the Evils of a Fluctuating Medium of Exchange" indicting UNBACKED PAPER MONEY.

It was this experience that Sherman brought to the Constitutional Convention and prompted him to rise on August 28,1787 and propose new, more restrictive wording to Article 1,Section 10. The standing version under consideration was worded this way: "No state shall coin money; nor grant letters of marque and reprisal; nor enter into any Treaty, alliance, or confederation; nor grant any title of Nobility." (From Madison’s Notes of the Convention) "Judge Sherman and Mr. Wilson moved to insert the words *coin money* the words *nor emit bills of credit, nor make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts* making these prohibitions absolute, instead of making the measures allowable with the consent of the Legislature of the U.S. Mr. Sherman thought this a FAVORABLE CRISIS FOR CRUSHING PAPER MONEY. If the consent of the Legislature could authorize emissions of it, the friends of paper money would make every exertion to get into the Legislature in order to license it." Mr. Sherman*s and Mr. Wilson*s motion was quickly agreed to and became the supreme law of the land.

Some additional quotations to ponder:

"All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise not from defects in the constitution or confederation, nor from a want of honor or virtue so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation" (John Adams in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 1787)

"I deny the power of the general government to making paper money, or anything else, a legal tender." (Thomas Jefferson)

"You have been doubtless been informed, from time to time, of the happy progress of our affairs. The principal difficulties seem in great measure to have been surmounted. Our revenues have been considerably
more productive than it was imagined they would be. I mention this to show the spirit of enterprise that prevails." (George Washington in a letter to the Marquis de LaFayette, June 3, 1790 AFTER the United States Constitution prohibited unbacked paper money at Article 1, Section 10)

"Since the federal constitution has removed all danger of our having a paper tender, our trade is advanced fifty percent. Our monied people can trust their cash abroad, and have brought their coin into circulation." (December 16, 1789 edition of The Pennsylvania
Gazette)

"Our country, my dear sir, is fast progressing in its political importance and social happiness." (George Washington in a letter to the Marquis de LaFayette, March 19, 1791)

"The United States enjoys a sense of prosperity and tranquility under the new government that could hardly have been hoped for." (George Washington in a letter to Catherine Macaulay Graham, July 19,1791)

"Tranquility reigns among the people with that disposition towards the general government which is likely to preserve it. Our public credit stands on that high ground which three years ago would have been
considered as a species of madness to have foretold." (George Washington in a letter to David Humphreys, July 20, 1791)

"It is apparent from the whole context of the Constitution as well as the times which gave birth to it, that it was the purpose of the Convention to establish a currency consisting of the precious metals.
These were adopted by a permanent rule excluding the use of a perishable medium of exchange, such as certain agricultural commodities recognized by the statutes of some States as tender for debts, or the still more pernicious expedient of PAPER CURRENCY." (Andrew Jackson, 8th Annual Message to Congress, December 5, 1836)

DESPITE WHAT YOU WERE TAUGHT IN SCHOOL, THE HISTORICAL RECORD IS CRYSTAL CLEAR: AMERICA WAS TO HAVE BEEN SPARED THE DESTRUCTIVE EFFECTS OF AN UNBACKED PAPER MONEY SYSTEM. MOST OF THE PROBLEMS WE FACE TODAY CAN BE TRACED TO WHAT ANDREW JACKSON CALLED "THE PERNICIOUS EXPEDIENT OF PAPER MONEY".

HISTORY TEACHES THAT AN "ARTIFICIAL" MONEY CREATES AN "ARTIFICIAL" WORLD WHERE THE PRICE FOR SOME ITEM...EVEN OUR MOST POPULAR WELFARE "PROGRAM"...CAN BE DEFERRED TO FUTURE GENERATIONS (OUR $11 TRILLION
NATIONAL DEBT) OR PAID WITH A "MONEY" CREATED OUT OF THIN AIR WHICH ROBS THE VALUE FROM THE MONEY WE MIGHT BE UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE IN OUR POCKETS AT THAT MOMENT (INFLATION). AND ONE THING YOU MUST REMEMBER ABOUT INFLATION IS THAT IT IS NOT AN "EQUAL OPPORTUNITY" DESTROYER: THOSE FIRST IN LINE TO GET THEIR HANDS ON THE NEW MONEY ROLLING OFF THE PRESSES (THE MODERN FRIENDS OF PAPER MONEY) HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEND IT BEFORE IT LOSES ITS VALUE. THE LITTLE PEOPLE (THAT’S US, FOLKS!) FARTHEST DOWN THE LINE ARE THE ONES WHO FEEL THE FULLEST EFFECTS OF THIS DESTRUCTIVE PROCESS.
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Dick Bachert


8 posted on 12/12/2005 9:15:24 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: HopefulPatriot

This post perfectly describes why I'm a pessimist.

While the 'Pubs may enjoy an electoral majority in a variety of venues, let's face it: If you strip away those among us who are really closet socialists, you're back down to a tiny, ineffective minority.

I honestly believe our slide toward socialism will continue. The only question really is how fast.


9 posted on 12/12/2005 9:24:30 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: PeterPrinciple

I do think we need a well spoken leader. A charismatic fellow who can get everyday Americans on board. We need high school graduates to be able to understand - even those coming out of the indoctrination camps!


10 posted on 12/12/2005 9:56:15 AM PST by mosquitobite (As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down.)
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There are no Democrats who understand and are committed to honoring the provisions of the Constitution.

Ok. That's pretty obvious.

But . . . .

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

So, which party holds the pursestrings now and is rapidly accelerating spending, waste and national debt? Which party rammed through the assault on the First Amendment, and which president happily signed it? Which party and president are suspiciously quiet about the outrageous Kelo decision?

Both of the Big Stupid Government parties suck.

11 posted on 12/12/2005 10:03:13 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Dick Bachert
"..freedom that was the birth right of every American from 1789 until 1912.."

It was no accident that freedom began to disappear on an accelerating scale in 1912. Restoring the Constitution is the surest way to end the Federal Reserve, the scourge of free markets.

The discussion of currencies and money goes right over the head of 90+% of modern economists and all Keynesian economists. While the Federal Reserve provides most of the financing and funding that makes socialism possible for a short period of time, the arguments needed to refute it will not be a paramount issue for the over whelming numbers of conservative voters who are willing to vote for freedom.

Freedom is the right to make our own choices. If Social Security and Medicare were the be-all, end-all highly successful programs that Democrats claim, it would not be necessary to make participation in these programs mandatory. And Democrats would not become apoplectic when discussions take to place to make participation in these programs voluntary.

After years of research, I personally, have reached the point where I believe that money is simply too important to entrust to government and have some revolutionary ideas on how to establish a private currency. When the government subverts the Constitution, private enterprise can offer the people a choice. By definition, FREEDOM is the right to exercise our own choices.

12 posted on 12/12/2005 10:05:40 AM PST by HopefulPatriot
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To: Hank Rearden; HopefulPatriot

<< Both of the Big Stupid Government parties suck. >>

Spot on!


13 posted on 12/12/2005 10:14:32 AM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant need we be to reckon our power-lusting political lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: PeterPrinciple
[ What we have here is a failure to communicate. No One likes your message or else you have not commuicated it effectively. ]

-OR- Many here are beginning realize they are not small government republicans but big government republicans i.e. government employees.. or other Union members..

Ann Coulter is the leanest meanest RINO exposer of all..

A brief look at many threads (on Ann Coulter) will show overt or covert EXPOSURE.. Annie just drives the RINOs nutz.. The liberals hold their nose when they pass by.. but the RINOs feel naked.. and exposed.. and perform a ritual dance.. Funny if you think about it..

Ann Coulter is a GENIUS.. and national treasure.

14 posted on 12/12/2005 10:26:18 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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"..why I'm a pessimist...If you strip away those among us who are really closet socialists, you're back down to a tiny, ineffective minority."

How then do you explain these?

Socialism is a failed economic model. It will fail every time it is tried. No one can predict the future, but if your view of the future is correct then the future of the United States as a nation is measured in years, not decades. It's about making choices; Ash-heap or Renaissance?

15 posted on 12/12/2005 10:27:51 AM PST by HopefulPatriot (Freedom means making your own choices instead of government making the choice for you.)
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Are you familiar with e-gold. Their private currency is up and running. I decided to go on the personal gold standard in Feb. Um, good choice. I used IAU, which is an ETF.


16 posted on 12/12/2005 10:30:37 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: manwiththehands
Good answers are to be expected from a man that has taken The Pledge.

Thank you Sir, and Merry Christmas!

17 posted on 12/12/2005 10:31:39 AM PST by HopefulPatriot (Freedom means making your own choices instead of government making the choice for you.)
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To: Hank Rearden
" So, which party holds the pursestrings now and is rapidly accelerating spending, waste and national debt? Which party rammed through the assault on the First Amendment, and which president happily signed it?..Both of the Big Stupid Government parties suck."

The plan that we are going to present on FreeRepublic is an outline of how we are going to turn ninety years of history, an almost $3 Trillion dollar government, and a country of 300 million people, 180 degrees in less than a decade. We believe that it can be done and we intend to show you how.

18 posted on 12/12/2005 10:38:11 AM PST by HopefulPatriot (Freedom means making your own choices instead of government making the choice for you.)
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To: hosepipe
"Annie just drives the RINOs nutz.. The liberals hold their nose when they pass by.. but the RINOs feel naked.. and exposed.. Ann Coulter is a GENIUS.. and national treasure.

You will not get an argument from us. But the one thing that Ann Coulter and other conservatives have failed to do, it to show you how to defeat some RINO's and at the same time move surviving RINO's to the right. And we will show you how this same strategy can be used to shift almost all Democrats to the right as well.

You are going to enjoy our discussions of the 'Red Shift'.

19 posted on 12/12/2005 10:44:56 AM PST by HopefulPatriot (Freedom means making your own choices instead of government making the choice for you.)
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To: Jack Black
"Are you familiar with e-gold?

Yes, and with most of the others as well. You are definitely on the 'right' track. There are several analogies that you can track down on the internet that illustrate how gold has preserved purchasing power for centuries. History tells us that all currencies periodically return to their intrinsic value.

20 posted on 12/12/2005 10:51:26 AM PST by HopefulPatriot (Freedom means making your own choices instead of government making the choice for you.)
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