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Bad day to be Sony
/. ^ | 11-15-2005 | Zonk

Posted on 11/15/2005 4:09:12 PM PST by Amerigomag

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To: palmer
First note the: "If this is true," part of my last post.

Inserting their CD makes their program run and install which is true of thousands of other program and media CD's.

That is not true, the autorun feature was meant to prompt the user to install something, NOT install it without their knowledge, with is the case with Sony.

41 posted on 11/15/2005 7:55:06 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup

That's what it is meant to do, but it is not precluded from installing something without the user's knowledge. It is probably more often used to run, but not install, a program without the user's knowledge.


42 posted on 11/15/2005 7:57:32 PM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

I should be a little more clear. I don't believe that Sony should install anything with or without the user's knowledge. The user's "knowledge" is useless anyway, since they would just put up a fine print screen saying they are going to spy on you and install some file cloaking. Then people would click ok. I don't like that no matter what the Sony software does.


43 posted on 11/15/2005 8:05:45 PM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: palmer
I don't believe that Sony should install anything with or without the user's knowledge. The user's "knowledge" is useless anyway, since they would just put up a fine print

Actually from what has been stated, the spyware was NOT covered in the EULA on teh CD. And even if it was, the spyware automatically installed even before you got to the EULA, which is illegal.

44 posted on 11/15/2005 8:22:08 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: palmer

That is asking you to agree to something, after the fact, with is wrong.


45 posted on 11/15/2005 8:23:29 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: rawhide

>>Sorry, a lot of people want their music CD to start up after inserting it into the drive and closing the door.

Great, they should buy dedicated CD players. What part of "would expect any halfway-decently locked-down machine to not allow" did you not understand? And I really, really, really don't care what the Windows default is. Your door locks come from Home Depot unlocked by default. Do you leave them that way?

It's a computing device. It's 2005, and attacks on computing devices come from every angle. Treat your computing device like a casual piece of consumer electronics, and pay the price.


46 posted on 11/15/2005 8:29:45 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Richard Kimball
I think Sony should get criminal charges for hacking.

Absolutely. If some l33t haquer d00d whose only experience with the nude female form is via JPEG did this, he'd get two to five.

Have we abandoned even the pretense of uniform rule of law?

47 posted on 11/16/2005 6:21:12 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: FreedomPoster

"the main story we have here is a Sony's malicious attempt to secretly install software, which is virtually undetectable, without the user consenting to it being installed.
And unfortunately, the removal tool, as we are finding out today, may cause more damage than the software Sony forced installed upon us."


48 posted on 11/16/2005 9:25:00 AM PST by rawhide
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Oh, I didn't say that Sony didn't just totally stink, for what they did. It will definitely biad me anti-Sony for any future purchases.

That said, there's a personal responsibility aspect to all this. Lock your systems down, people!


49 posted on 11/16/2005 9:47:01 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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