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France’s Ramadan Uprising - a Ticking Bomb for Europe (DEBKA Alert)
DEBKAfile Special Report ^ | November 7, 2005, 3:44 PM (GMT+02:00)

Posted on 11/07/2005 11:04:55 AM PST by strategofr

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the religion of peace


141 posted on 11/08/2005 9:38:59 AM PST by NoClones
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have heard that view, although am personally leaning towards the idea that leftists are in 'league' with islamists...

not a good scenario for anyone but it does seem to fit what can be observed...so far anyway

142 posted on 11/08/2005 9:52:41 AM PST by NoClones
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" am personally leaning towards the idea that leftists are in 'league' with islamists..."

I'm happy to see someone who even goes that far. The view being "promoted" is that there is no connection.

In addition, I myself will concede that the Islamacist rank-and-file does not necessarily see a connection to the Left, and I'm sure there are many clerics who son't see it either. The individual memebers of the worldwide organized hard left (WOHL), for the most part, do not beleive the WOHL exists.


Here is a reposting of something I posted previously on Strategyh Page (probabably a year or so ago, long before the current troubles in France and I don't remember the reference to Chirac that prompted the post.) I have changed a few words to clean it up but will leave it otherwise as I posted it. It expresses some of views relevant to this discussion.


"'No. I do not think Chirac has a Muslim side. What I think is, this whole "Muslim" thing (as we are currently experiencing it) is, basically, a KGB operation, and Chirac is basically a tool of the KGB, like many people throughout the world.

No, I can't prove it, unfortunately. I wish I could. But the Soviets basically invented modern terrorism for the most part. Not the Algerian thing, I don't think, but the stuff after that.

The Romanians ran Arafat as their agent, this is a documented fact (Red Horizons,1987, Pacepa). Obviously, the Rumanains were acting under the control of the Soviets here: the Soviets had a Middle East interest, not Romania! Unfortunately, this link was apparently hidden from Pacepa (since he does not mention it). I know this seems strange, since he was the head of the Romanian KGB (he defected in 1978), but that is the only conclusion I can draw, unless he held it back from the book, which I do not believe. In the event (since Pacepa defected) this compartmentalization by the Soviets proved wise.

At any rate, Pacepa also details the Romanian connection to Khadaffi, further unlikely except as something under the control of the Soviets.

By the way, I refer specifically to the KGB here, no longer a formal organization. It has been replaced in Russia by the SVR (international, like CIA) and the FSB (national, like FBI) But I am talking about the guys who used to run the KGB, such as Putin, who now run Russia. I don't believe they entirely handed their international contacts over to the SVR, so the term KGB is still correct.

The KGB penetrated deeply into every important country in the world, both politically and in non-political spheres. Can I prove it? No, but I know it is true.

Consider this quote in a book by a GRU defector (Inside the Aquarium, 1986, Victor Suvorov)(GRU= Soviet military intelligence)

"Every exhibition attracts the GRU's interest, whether it be an exhibition of military electronics, of tanks, of cats or agricultural machinery or flowers. One of the most successful cases of recruitment by the GRU was carried out at an exhibition of Chinese goldfish. Who goes to these exhibitions? People with a lot of money who are connected with the world of finance, of big business and big politics. Exhibitions are attended by counts and marquises, ministers and their secretaries. All sorts of people go to exhibitions. Of course, you have to know how to select."

This written by someone part of an organization completely prohibited from gathering any form of intelligence outside of military intelligence. A restriction, needless to say, that in no way applied to the KGB, but was imposed on the GRU on the KGB’s behalf to prevent them from poaching.

Chirac is like many liberal leaders (though nominally “conservative” in French terms) part of the KGB web, in my opinion. What his connection would be I have no idea. It is probably "innocent" in the sense of Chirac not knowing it is KGB. (I am saying the KGB would probably be shielded in this case.)

Nonetheless, that is my contention. The KGB web, in my opinion, includes the Left and the Muslims, apparently unrelated groups who support each other at every turn.

Naturally, most participants know nothing of the KGB. That would be on purpose, wouldn't it? Journalists know what they learned in journalism school, which includes that it is OK to lie. (I was briefly in journalism courses 25 years ago and they were already teaching this idea then. I won't go into details, we can all see the result) Journalists believe the basic Leftist line and try to undermine the US military because they think its evil and promoted Arafat because they thought he was good.

But the KGB cooked up these ideas. They continue to set the line for Political Correctness in the world. Can I prove it? No. But it makes much more sense than what other conservatives believe, doesn't it? There has to be an intelligent hand behind the great, organized evils in the world, not diffuse stupidities.

Conservatives say the Left wants to destroy the US, Christianity, moral values, etc. OK, but why? Because they "hate" these things? Is this the motive of a rational person? It is the motive of a fool!

The architects of what is happening in Iraq right now are not fools, whatever you think of them. The architects of the worldwide Leftist & Muslim alliance are not malcontented depressives. They are evil men who make their living doing certain bad things. They are the KGB. The numerous malcontented depressives are “useful idiots”, useful to others who have energy and purpose---albeit bad purposes involving the creation of any amount of pain in suffering in others to facilitate their own wealthy and powerful lifestyles.

Finally consider this. The recent Chechnya terrorist operation in the school was KGB too. The suspected mastermind is someone the KGB has arrested in the past. The Spetsnaz failed to contain the kidnappers and they fled the scene. (We are told the kidnappers were "all killed" in the pursuit. Why "pursuit"? The Spetsnaz couldn't seal a perimeter? Oh, you don't think the KGB would do such a thing? The same organization (renamed) who starved 10 million Ukranians to death wouldn't kill hundreds of children to achieve their ends?

And their ends were achieved. The operation "proved" Putin cannot be behind terrorism, despite mounting evidence to that effect (such as his nuclear arming of Iran)."'


143 posted on 11/08/2005 7:51:11 PM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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