David versus the Bolsheviks: The Battle of Lexington Green in the Year 2005

MACVSOG68, my "religious philosophy" has nothing to do with any poll, which is why it was ridiculous of you to start spouting polls in the first place.

Sam, with all due respect, please see post number 121. It was you who first raised polls, not me. I simply responded to you with a broader picture of polls. Cherry picking is not a useful argument. If you bring up a topic (polls), be prepared to discuss all relevant ones, not simply those that support Sam's thesis.

All the GOP needs is 20% of the Black vote and the Democrats will never elect another president.

I agree completely with that statement. But that 20% will not come from the actions of the extreme right, but the mainstream of the Republican Party.

You are trying to move away from your earlier spouting of polls now that I have pointed out to you that you are repeating Wilson and Specter's mistakes when they saw polls stating that many Republicans were pro-choice.

Again, I will tell you that it was you who raised polls when you thought they supported your position. When I showed you others reflecting a changing attitude among Americans in general and in a couple of cases, even fundamentalist Christians, you say none of them are valid....except yours of course.

They assumed, as you did, that there was equal intensity of committment on both sides. Wilson, Specter, and McCain found out real fast what happens when you chase the elusive "moderate" vote and try to run against the Christian Right.

Which is exactly what the hard left is telling the Democrats. The hard left lost several elections for the Democrats, but in spite of their radicalism a la Cindy Sheehan, Moore, Streisand, Soros, and others, they almost won the election of 2004. They will now launch an all out war on the Republicans claiming they are owned by the extreme right. And I believe that this is the case. As you say, try and run against the Christian Right. What the Republican Party needs desperately to do is to keep the Christian Right, but ditch the radical religious right. This country will never return to the days of the witch trials and the "Holy" inquisitions. The Party of Lincoln and Reagan is not the Party of Goldwater. If the election of 1964 didn't demonstrate the downsides of being painted a radical, nothing ever will.

And on this so-called "acceptance" of deviance you have been answered many times. There has always been tacit tolerance of the "confirmed bachelor" so long as he didn't camp it up or rub his "lifestyle" in everyone's face.

You may not like it, but attitudes are changing in America. We may never accept same sex marriages, and I hope we don't for several reasons, but acceptance of partnerships, benefits, legal rights, and adoptions is growing significantly, even if you don't accept such studies. Telling you this is not an endorsement. It is a fact.

The Republican Party a big tent party. We accept homosexuals into our Party because we believe that at least economically, we have much to offer. Socially, we are less receptive than the Democrats, but we nevertheless invite you in. To turn away demographic groups is simply to wither away.

We lost the black vote after the election of 1964. We have yet to gain it back, in spite of the fact the Republicans freed the slaves, wrote and passed the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments, supported the voting rights acts and the civil rights acts more than even Democrats!

As for the Republican Party needing the radical right, yes, we do, but the radical right has no place else to go, and I do not expect the Republican Party to suddenly lose its moral compass simply to placate one group that may well be lost in its history lesson. Bob Jones U will never again be a campaign stop for a serious Republican candidate.

What precisely is the Religious Right as opposed to the Radical Religious Right ? There is no distinction (or in your mind the distinction is between Christians who will fight and Christians who will surrender.). If you believe that abortion and sodomy are evil and wrong you are Religious Right. If you approve of these things, whether you call yourself a Christian or not, you are on the left. The only "Christians" who support these things are the UCC, Episcopalian, Unitarian Universalist types marching alongside Cindy Sheehan.

If you believe that the Bible is the literal word of God you are Christian right. To accept sodomy, as you demonstrate, you have to decide to ignore God's commandments.

And the American people's willingness to accept some legal arrangements short of marriage is of a piece with their long standing "We don't care what you do in private. Just don't rub our faces in it." The failure of "Alexander" (or Queer Eye for the Macedonian Guy, as it was called) and the imminent failure of "Brokeback Mountain" shows that the public finds the sight and thought of bug chaser copulation disgusting and will not pay $7.00 to see two men making out. It is when sodomites try to use public schools as propaganda forums that the public sees red.

And by the way, the defection of Black voters in Ohio that saved Bush was for one reason. Sodomite marriage. And by the way, the "Radical Christian Right" IS the mainstream of the GOP. Not libertarian types. Sodomite marriage as an issue gives the GOP the means to bypass the leftist Black politicians and go directly into the churches and barber shops of a Black community that resents how its politicians bend over for deviants. For Black people this is becoming a red button issue because they viscerally hate seeing the symbolism of the civil rights movement degraded and debased. And if you think Blacks aren't deeply religious you don't know any. They take the Bible literally. People like you have nothing to say to them. The one and only reason Kerry did not support sodomite marriage is because he knew it would alienate Black voters, who were uncomfortable with him in any case. So politically speaking, your agenda is idiotic. Culturally conservative Blacks offer much richer pickings than godless deviants.

Where you fail and fail miserably in your equation of the Christian Right with the Cindy Sheehan left is that you ignore the fact that for the past 40 years Americans have been voting with their feet and their moving vans in favor of living in Christian Right America and against living in Cindy Sheehan sodomite friendly blue cities. Americans may not agree with everything the Christian Right says, but on the personal level they know that it is better to live in a community permeated with Christian Right values than someplace like San Francisco. As I told you, even Blacks are returning to the Bible Belt South. Obviously yours is an equation that the American people do not agree with, as demographic patterns have shown. Indeed, the rise of sodomite rights in blue cities has occurred as families have left, leaving the cities to single empty nesters. So the hatred and fear of Christian America (all this stuff about "witch trials" and "inquisitions") that you feel does not exist across the Hudson or beyond the suburbs of Boston.

We are the majority future of the GOP, Christian Americans of all colors fighting against depravity and deviance. You Rockefeller types are spent, irrelevant. A majority coalition of white, black, and hispanic Christians cleaning out you bug-chaser friendly types from the GOP and smashing a series of pro-deviant Democratic presidential candidates. I doubt if you know that your so-called acceptance of sodomy does not extend very far below people earning $60k a year. Indeed, this is an issue that divides the Democrats along race and class lines. Let it.

Good morning Sam!

I noticed you omitted any discussion of polls. When one accuses one of something and is then proved wrong, one usually acknowledges such mistakes.

You asked what the differences were between the radical religious right and the Christian Right. I will give you some examples that hopefully will illustrate the distinctions.

The extremists' ultimate goal for this country is a theocracy, not a republican democratic government;

The Christian Right disapproves of abortion (in most cases) and the homosexual lifestyle, while the radicals would ban abortion in all cases and would ultimately jail all homosexuals and eliminate all civil rights for gays and lesbians;

The Christian Right mourned the death of Terri Schiavo; The radicals sent their children in to be arrested; they defaced flags and crucifixes and issued death threats;

The Christian Right has a host of issues they consider important to the future of this country; The radical right has only 2;

The Christian Right supports good strong conservative judges for the USSC; The radical right supports judges such as Roy Moore;

The Christian Right is representative of the Party of Lincoln and Reagan; the radical right is representative of the Dixiecrats;

The Christian Right opposes abortion; the radical right believes Randall Terry is a saint;

The Christian Right engages in intellectual debate on a host of issues; The radical right engages in insults, slurs, defamatory charges, and uses the tools of the left to shut up any who would question it.

Hope that helps Sam. These are just a few ways to shine a light on the radical right.

And by the way, the defection of Black voters in Ohio that saved Bush was for one reason. Sodomite marriage.

I trust that's not based on "polling" data....

And by the way, the "Radical Christian Right" IS the mainstream of the GOP.

Perhaps, but hopefully not those folks I described above. Delusion is a characteristic of all radical movements, both left and right.

So politically speaking, your agenda is idiotic.

Another characteristic of extremist groups is that their education is complete. Any consideration of a thought or idea not consistent with their talking points is heresy. So educated me Sam. What specifically is my agenda?

Culturally conservative Blacks offer much richer pickings than godless deviants.

Now that sounds just like the left in its quest to capture the black vote. Blacks aren't people to either of your groups.

Where you fail and fail miserably in your equation of the Christian Right with the Cindy Sheehan left is that you ignore the fact that for the past 40 years Americans have been voting with their feet and their moving vans in favor of living in Christian Right America and against living in Cindy Sheehan sodomite friendly blue cities.

Once again, you would have to rely on polls to make such an assertion. People have been moving away from the cities far more for economic reasons than any other. Nonetheless, in spite of your belief that the radical right is in firm command of America, take a look at the last election. President Bush almost lost to a firmly based leftist agenda. The Republicans did not win that vote...the Democrats lost. But they understand that now, and if the DLC can once again regain control of their party, and if the radical right continues its gains in the Republican Party, the next election will be a disaster for us. Expect the light to be shined on you and on you brightly. Americans don't like extremism in any form, and will vote it out.

Obviously yours is an equation that the American people do not agree with, as demographic patterns have shown.

Again, please tell me, exactly what is my equation?

Indeed, the rise of sodomite rights in blue cities has occurred as families have left, leaving the cities to single empty nesters.

Is that based on polling data?

So the hatred and fear of Christian America (all this stuff about "witch trials" and "inquisitions") that you feel does not exist across the Hudson or beyond the suburbs of Boston.

No, because America won't permit it. But it is in these areas you refer to, one in which I live, that we must always keep the radical agenda in sight. The first thing they want to do is to put in place "tests" for office holders. If you are an acceptable Christian, then you may hold office. If not, you are forbidden to do so. The 14th Amendment is the nemesis of the radical right.

We are the majority future of the GOP, Christian Americans of all colors fighting against depravity and deviance.

Again, as I said, the kinds of people I described above is the future of only despotism and theocratic tyranny. The GOP has survived worse enemies than today's radical right. The Christian Right is strong enough to withstand the burrowing of the radicals. But if not, then the GOP will fall.

A majority coalition of white, black, and hispanic Christians cleaning out you bug-chaser friendly types from the GOP and smashing a series of pro-deviant Democratic presidential candidates.

Yes, just like you did in 2004? Although you don't agree with any poll that tells you what you don't want to hear, you might look at a few polls showing what Americans consider the issues of importance to them. I hate to break this to you, but your one issue campaign won't draw flies, let alone voters!

I doubt if you know that your so-called acceptance of sodomy does not extend very far below people earning $60k a year. Indeed, this is an issue that divides the Democrats along race and class lines. Let it.

Once again, you must be concluding that from polls. But there's those pesky polls I mentioned earlier that seem to show just the opposite. Do you have any supporting these conclusions?

As I said before, very little distinguishes the radical groups from each other. They both concentrate on narrow issues of little importance to most Americans; They both use tools of deception, threats, insults, and violence to gain that which they cannot gain through dialog; they are delusional and almost completely unaware of reality. But make no mistake, all are dangerous and must be identified for what they are. I believe you will see a book out next year that shines a very big light on the radical right...and its nefarious goals. Have a good day, my friend.

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