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Utah Ravers Meet Police State
Deadline Live Forum ^ | Aug 22, 2005 | Various

Posted on 08/22/2005 10:45:56 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill

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To: Sir Gawain

Considering the police took the effort to mount a major undercover raid, I would believe the polcie over the drug enabling rave sponsors.


41 posted on 08/22/2005 1:19:58 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: AppyPappy

I don't know about Utah, but I can imagine. Down here, West of Austin at some friends I used to party at, the sound would reverberate up and down the canyons, and the house was tucked down at the end of a quiet dirt road, cops would look all night, never find it.


42 posted on 08/22/2005 1:20:10 PM PDT by johnb838 (Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

"ecstacy, methamphetamine and marijuana"

And the Rave party "security guards" were all too willing to $upply the 15 year old teenagers. Who cares if they over dose or whatever (sarc). So much for legalities


43 posted on 08/22/2005 1:20:52 PM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: ActionNewsBill

Welcome to Utah.


44 posted on 08/22/2005 1:21:18 PM PDT by VegasCowboy ("...he wore his gun outside his pants, for all the honest world to feel.")
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To: ActionNewsBill
Well, all I saw was some lights and guys working boards. No video of anyone wrecking havoc on anything. Guess it didn't fully load.

Anyway, having said that, if it was helicopters and soldiers in cammo, it wasn't the police raiding this 'rave'.

45 posted on 08/22/2005 1:32:17 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Arthalion
IMO, these people should get a lawyer and sue the bejeezus out of whoever authorized this, if it went down the way it's being described.

Yeah, IF it went down this way. I would be willing to bet some information was left out or purposefully misstated.

46 posted on 08/22/2005 1:35:38 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: ActionNewsBill

Don't you know the wannabees all got a woody putting on the camo! Give me a break. Whatever happened to cops looking like cops.


47 posted on 08/22/2005 1:36:18 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: VegasCowboy

Some things about Utah:

Most of Utah is highly conservative, outside of Salt Lake. Salt Lake is...different.

Young people who are not Mormon or who are raised by parents who are not religiously observant, tend to do things that kids in other areas with similar attitudes or backgrounds wouldn't do. They are a bit more radical to prove they are not "goodie-goodies" and thus the same as the observant LDS kids.

There is a real problem with Meth in this state.

Running away is not a tickable offense in Utah.

Smoking between the ages of 18 and 21 is.

Utah has a higher divorce rate than the national average.

All the above lead to some interesting effects...especially if you are raising a non LDS teenager who has problems...


48 posted on 08/22/2005 1:39:13 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: rogue yam

and if you kept your 17 year old daughter away from such a party you wouldn't have to worry now would you?


49 posted on 08/22/2005 1:40:53 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: Sir Gawain

My concern is that we can't tell the police from the military. At least Hitler had the SS wear black.


50 posted on 08/22/2005 1:42:10 PM PDT by satan (They)
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To: ActionNewsBill
The ravers should have just eaten their X during the day and gone for a walk in the woods. Much safer and more enlightening.

Now that I think about it, we should start feeding X to the muslims/terrorists around the world and have them read the Bible...

51 posted on 08/22/2005 1:42:35 PM PDT by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: Nov3

So let me get this straight, the national guard busts a bunch of "ravers" but meanwhile we have terrorists and illegals streaming across the border like there is no tomorrow? Good to know our priorities are straight!

We need to stop those damn kids from having any more fun!! Those ravers are dangerous, with their listening to music and dancing...better keep an eye on them! ;)


52 posted on 08/22/2005 1:43:24 PM PDT by BootsOfEscaping
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To: ActionNewsBill

Bookmark for Utah parental awareness.


53 posted on 08/22/2005 1:44:21 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Some assembly required.)
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To: AppyPappy
You don't apply for permits because the cops will come. The whole point of a rave is that it is a) hidden and b) fairly spontaneous. You have to prevent the cops from coming because you don't card people and you allow drug use.

CLEARLY, the organizers of this event didn't make it to class the day "Keeping Rave Party A Secret" was taught.

It was all outdoors, in a valley surrounded by huge mountains. They had an amazing light show flashing on to a mountain behind the site, the sound was booming, the crowd was about 1500 people thick and everything just seemed too good to be true really.

54 posted on 08/22/2005 1:51:03 PM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (When the disbeliever sees this, he will say, 'How nice if I was also turned into sand.')
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To: satan

It would've been funny if every single raver was packing heat.


55 posted on 08/22/2005 1:51:14 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: BootsOfEscaping

Not national guard. State police and local police. People from the Sherrif's dept. probably. Special units were involved, such as swat teams and undercover agents. If there were National Guardsmen there, I can tell you the Salt Lake Trib would have been screaming about it. They lean in the same direction that Mayor Rocky Anderson does, and it would have hit the AP.


56 posted on 08/22/2005 1:51:44 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: ActionNewsBill

What is a "rave" and why would any conservative want to be associated with one?


57 posted on 08/22/2005 1:56:28 PM PDT by steve86
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To: BearWash

Also as a side note, I am a house music producer so I am involved with this scene and I also just so happend to be conservative- "raves" as they are traditionally known are long gone,this was simply a concert. Go bust ANY concert and you will find drugs and underage drinking.

This is just simply a waste of taxpayer funds. This is like when the feds went after the bong makers, yeah that will clean up the streets, get rid of those evil bongs! ha. Laughable.


58 posted on 08/22/2005 2:10:55 PM PDT by BootsOfEscaping
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To: Nov3

Don't you know the wannabees all got a woody putting on the camo! Give me a break. Whatever happened to cops looking like cops.

............

When the perps keep growing in numbers and became more deranged and dangerous shooting with assault rifles, thats when.


59 posted on 08/22/2005 2:27:22 PM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: finnman69

"Care to enlighten me as to what was illegal about an undercover stakeout that witnessed illegal behavior at an illegal event and was then promptly shut down?"


If you see nothing wrong with armed thugs enforcing the will of the state on people conducting their private business and harming no one, then this nation has fallen farther than I thought. The state has taken it upon itself to become the injured party and when it can't find obvious transgressions it uses spies and informants to find them.

These are the tactics of a police state, which I strongly suspect you are a member of given your vociferous defense of their action. Anyone who is prepared to beat, jail and maybe kill another person for using drugs is mentally ill.


60 posted on 08/22/2005 2:30:35 PM PDT by dljordan
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