Posted on 07/26/2005 11:37:42 PM PDT by minus_273
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The true followers of Islam are the head choppers. Their actions are guided by the word of Allah. The so-called Moderates you refer to are apostates, and deserve death.
Do yourself a favor and read the Qu'ran... the Hadiths... and educate yourself about who we are up against. The moment you show them mercy... the moment you fall for Taqiyya... will be the moment of your demise.
It's the truth.
sure, but you agree there are two camps here sort of like protestants and catholics (bad analogy, i know, but you should get the point). These apostates are the ones we want to not piss off. We need them to win.
You are full of it, aren't ya? Go sweat it out- you got nothin' comin' here, sandy...
yeah, by my own admission, i don't anything about Islam. Every county does things out of its own self interest. It would be silly not to.
I agree with you on the peaceful muslim bit. However, I am talking about people another poster called "apostates". If by moderate muslims we mean moderate headchoppers,there is nothing modertate about them in reality. There are "apostates" who call themselves muslims and try to cling to some nominal similarites to the headchoppers. These are the people from which i think a martin luther type will need to emerge.
PS i'm hoping for a good discussion here.. im counting on not getting zotted (which would really suck since i've had this account since i joined FR over a year ago). Check out the key words that have been added.
That young man is dead now, shot by a robber of the convenience store. The young man's confidence in his own persuasive powers and in the persuasive force of sweet reason was mis-placed; the robber didn't listen, or, if he listened, was unconvinced.
Sometimes the only way to stay alive is to shoot first and save the words for the funeral of the other guy.
I like the term sand-nazi. I think it's fitting for those who follow that extreme ideology.
I think Islam is a false religion but I don't think all 1 billion or whatever people who are muslims deserve to be lumped into the same category as the "sand-nazis".
They deserve freedom so that they can safely question their religion and also learn about other religions, specifically Christianity.
IMHO.
1.Identify these leaders (they never want to kill themselves for allah).
2.Make them permanently and quietly dissapear.
3.Have their immediate families dissappear permantly as well.
Total and immediate end of problem as the remaining scum understand the new strategy.
End of story
PING!!!!!!
You admit to not knowing anything about Islam...I would suggest reading books written by Bernard Lewis on the subject, particularly "What Went Wrong", "The Middle East: A Brief History of the Last 2,000 Years" and "The Crisis in Islam". He is the Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern Studies Emeritus at Princeton University, and is considered to be the leading authority on Islam in the western world.
I'm no expert on Islam either, but if you want to speak intelligently about the subject, you need to know a little more than what you can learn on FR or DU.
I, personally, do not believe Tancredo owes anyone an apology. Given the context of the conversation (if one reads the whole conversation) his comments are not only rational but approriate, in my opinion.
If a nuclear weapon were to go off in the center of New York City, how would our government, and the world react? I think the question is a fair one. What do you do?
Do you just pick out a city at random in the Mideast and drop one on it? Do you bomb Mecca as this guy theoretically proposed? Do you do nothing? Millions would certainly die, and do nothing but say "we are going to catch them"?
This guy did not just jump up and say "We should bomb Mecca", he was placing it in a framework of a theoretical situation.
If you think, for even a single second, that nobody in the US government is gaming (and I use that word with the "serious" meaning) those situations, you are wrong. Just because it is so horrible we can barely contemplate it doesn't mean it frees our government from the duty of planning for it.
Now, you may not agree with that, and maybe I don't either. But it IS a choice, one that you can be %100 sure SOMEONE has played out. And well they should. Would it be appropriate? I don't know. But I DO know destroying Mecca as an option, is no more or less palatable than destroying a city full of people.
Most Muslims I know are decent, regular people. They do not have the desire, will or mutilated ideology that is threatening to innocents, both muslim and non-muslim. The MAJOR problem here, is that these extremists LIVE in the mainstream of the muslim religion. I do not doubt for one second that many "normal" muslims know one, or more than one person who is spewing poisonous ideological rubbish. While we in the west do not generally interfere with people's desire or right to think, speak and disseminate a poisonous, treasonous ideology, it has, in my opinion, reached a point close to shouting "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater.
For that reason, Muslims must get off of their collective asses and start "taking out the garbage". I am sympathetic to thier plight. Nobody likes to be guilty by association, and the human response much of the time is to become defensive and more intractable.
But that is unsatisfactory. Muslims need to stand up, be counted and contribute to the solution of this problem. If they do not, the western world will, at some point, be forced to require them to make a choice, as in the Cowboy Bush's declaration "You are either with us or against us."
And let me tell you: If there is indeed a nuclear explosion or some other major catastrophe involving muslim terrorism, Americans and other westerners are not going to be quite as concerned with political correctness or sensitivity. And a lot of genuinely innocent muslims are going to suffer as a result.
So that is why the priority is for the Muslim community to cut this cancer out of thier midst, and disown them completely with no "But..." qualifiers. They have been AWOL from this responsibility, and next time, it may be to late for them to take action, and I would hate to see that.
As for the correct term of definition, I prefer "Islamowhackofacists".
That's exactly true.
Islam has yet to undertake a period of enlightenment, as did Christianity in the Middle Ages. And until it does, that's where it will be stuck:
In the Middle Ages.
I agree. There are terrorist Muslims and peace-loving and freedom-loving Muslims (Hamid Karzai, Allawi, Jaafari, King Abdullah, the millions of people who voted in Afghanistan and Iraq, and so on). Islam is not the enemy. The enemy is radical Islamism.
Who says we cant take on a billion muslims??!!! We will just have to reload faster; It's a tactical matter. Actually, we cant kill all the muslims in the world, but we can begin with the arabs.
If we were to bomb Mecca then every Muslim in the world would rise up and take arms against the U.S. If the Kabba, in Mecca, is violated it is the duty of every Muslim to take up arms against those who violate the Kabba.
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