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Darwin Among the Believers (theory of evolution crucial for many fields)
Tech Central Station ^ | 07/22/2005 | Frederick Turner

Posted on 07/22/2005 4:46:53 AM PDT by Nicholas Conradin

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To: mlc9852

No, I said "assuming facts not in evidence"


Off to work


181 posted on 07/22/2005 12:09:26 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Dimensio

Maybe they just don't want to reply to you. If they've been around here long enough, they would know they are wasting their time.


182 posted on 07/22/2005 12:09:42 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

Yes, of course I believe in evil.


183 posted on 07/22/2005 12:10:02 PM PDT by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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To: mlc9852

I know how logic works and Mike explicitly premised his statements on logic (a concept obviously foreign to you).


184 posted on 07/22/2005 12:10:03 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: shuckmaster; Ichneumon

second the motion


185 posted on 07/22/2005 12:10:46 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: AntiGuv

How do you define "logic"? Just what you accept and believe?


186 posted on 07/22/2005 12:11:07 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: SamuraiScot

Very nice concise response.
Congrats.


187 posted on 07/22/2005 12:11:13 PM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: mlc9852
I'm only a relativist when arguing with evos

Are you admitting that you abandon logic and reason when trying to argue against evolution?

That certainly explains a lot.
188 posted on 07/22/2005 12:11:19 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: mike182d

Here's another "ludicrous proposition". Is gravity a causal force? Did it exist prior to the first matter? If not, where did it come from? Who or what brough the causal force of gravity into being?

Gravitational theorists only don't want to talk about the origin of matter because its the biggest fault of their entire theory and they have no answer for it.

Hence why the theory of gravity is in turmoil. Teach the controversy!


189 posted on 07/22/2005 12:11:45 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: From many - one.; mlc9852

Thank you, one.

I'm not bothered, I'm amused at a "conservative" trying to say that facts are subject to belief.


190 posted on 07/22/2005 12:12:31 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Dimensio

I admit as I have said before that I don't respond to your rantings. Have a nice day.


191 posted on 07/22/2005 12:14:47 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mike182d
A murderer's parents aren't omnipotent. Nice try. Try again.

What makes evil bad?

If an omnipotent god exists, then for our purposes evil is whatever said god regards to be evil.

192 posted on 07/22/2005 12:16:02 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: highball
Words mean things, don't they?

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you CAN make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - - that's all.'

193 posted on 07/22/2005 12:16:20 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: Junior

And there are a lot of us out here. You all just haven't done your jobs I guess.


194 posted on 07/22/2005 12:17:02 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
If you need a tutorial, go Google the word logic. Meanwhile, if you dispute any part of my application of logic, then feel free to post your dispute.
195 posted on 07/22/2005 12:17:43 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: atlaw

"What is AIG's peer-review process like, if clangers like these can get through it?"

And what is the evo peer-review process like, if clangers like Prof. Protsch can get through FOR 30 YEARS!!

Specious anecdotal arguments sometimes bite, don't they?

"“If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.” Most of us have heard this piece of advice on more than one occasion. Yet, this was exactly the case with a famous Neanderthal fossil discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg, Germany. Prior to its discovery, the evolutionary timeline of ape-like creatures remained extremely “fuzzy” as it approached modern man. There simply were not any fossils that shed light on this period. But a single discovery dated by Professor Reiner Protsch cleared up the picture. Many years ago, he was invited to date the famous skull, which he later pronounced to be the vital missing link between Neanderthals and modern humans. He dated the skull at 36,000 years old, allowing it to fall neatly into the evolutionists’ timeline between Neanderthals and modern man. Finally, thanks to Protsch, the gap had been filled. All the pieces were in place.

For evolutionists, it was too good to be true. And indeed, it was. On February 18, 2005, Protsch was forced to retire in disgrace after a Frankfurt University panel ruled he had “fabricated data and plagiarized the work of his colleagues” (see “Anthropologist Resigns in ‘Dating Disaster,’ ” 2005). If this scenario sounds familiar, you are exactly right (see, for example, Piltdown Hoax). Once believed to be a world-renowned expert on carbon dating, Protsch’s entire professional career is now being questioned. The university noted: “The commission finds that Prof. Protsch has forged and manipulated scientific facts over the past 30 years” (“Anthropologist Resigns…”)."


196 posted on 07/22/2005 12:17:52 PM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Nicholas Conradin
Each journal contains at least ten articles of about 2-20 pages, and each of those articles represents several months' or years' work by a team of trained biologists whose most compelling material and moral interest would be to disprove the work of all their predecessors and to make an immortal name by doing so.

Nope. Their greatest interest is in getting tenure, or being well-thought-of by their peers, and that's not going to happen if they deny the tenets of the faith.

Geology, physical anthropology, agricultural science, environmental science, much of chemistry, some areas of physics (e.g. protein folding) and even disciplines such as climatology and oceanography ... are at least partially founded on evolution. ... and be prepared to swallow the billions of human deaths that might follow the abandonment of the foundations of medical, mining, environmental, agricultural, and climatological knowledge.

Grossly exaggerates the importance of evolution.

197 posted on 07/22/2005 12:18:02 PM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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To: mike182d
After all, the parents created him...

Didn't you say earlier that only God can create?

198 posted on 07/22/2005 12:19:13 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: From many - one.
Sorry. Great scientific discoveries often come from noticing and studying niggling details.

But precisely none have come from torturing people over semantics in an effort to appear smarter than you are. Even a lot of evolutionists will use monkey/chimp/ape as a colloquial expression for "the evolutionary predecessor of man." Unless you are referring to a specific one, and even if you are but your audience doesn't know Australopithecus from Arcanthropus and doesn't care to, it suffices.

199 posted on 07/22/2005 12:19:53 PM PDT by hopespringseternal (</i>)
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To: mike182d
Do these characters really take over, or are you swept away by your own creativity?

It's a good question.

Do we act freely or is God swept away by His own Creativity?

200 posted on 07/22/2005 12:20:42 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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