Death of a Father

From the article: "Not one, but three staff writers, plus two contributing staff writers and a researcher went to work portraying Perry Manley as an angry, confused, and obsessed personality who was simply too stubborn for his own good."

Yeah, like our founding fathers. From the Declaration of Independence:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government."

No fault divorce and the child support system is LITERALLY destroying lives as surely as (and more frequently than) the Nazi death camps did. However, they have learned it is more cost effective to just keep them alive and constantly paying, as indentured slaves to the state, then to outright kill them. And these enemies of the state are being created by the hundreds of thousands every few months by our family courts.

The family is being destroyed by our government. This man gave his life for the most noble political cause that currently exists in this country.

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."- John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798

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And perhaps you would like to counter? I'd be interested to your thoughts.<<

There is nothing to counter. People do the same thing for different reasons. I have a "there but for circumstance go I" attitude about all this stuff.

I don't consider suicide "chickenshit." I consider it actually quite a difficult thing to do. I DO consider it a fatal lack of faith however.

"I don't consider suicide "chickenshit." I consider it actually quite a difficult thing to do. I DO consider it a fatal lack of faith however"

What could be more difficult than taking one's life when the chips are down, depriving your children of their father, causing trauma to all those around? Oh yeah, NOT committing suicide.

The situation in all these cases were brought about by the two main players, mom & dad, through their actions, inactions, misdeeds & deeds. It's a bed they must lie in & unfortunately to varying degrees, their children. It is the responsibility of each parent, including the father, to make the best of the situation for their children. Not for themselves. So where is that sacrifice in suicide (pardon the pun)? How is the God-given responsibility to one's children served by ducking out the back door? "Chickenshit" is a mild admonition to those who eat the dinner but don't pay the bill, sticking it to those whom he ostensibly loves.
Truly one the most self-centered, selfish & narcissistic acts one can commit against others. Against one's own children is about as loathsome as it gets.

"What could be more difficult than taking one's life when the chips are down, depriving your children of their father, causing trauma to all those around? Oh yeah, NOT committing suicide."

You are confusing difficult with stupid. Of course suicide is stupid - as well as short-sighted. It is also very difficult because it violates the survival instinct.

Based on the rest of your post, I am guessing you are female...

Interesting reply Mssr. RobRoy but thank you all the same. You made me laugh...

Stupid or smart does not play into it. Passive aggression does. It, suicide, is rarely about anything else but one's own self-interest in harming others. So the survival instinct is overridden by reason. Suicide is not as hard as you think. Living through the crap these fathers have created for themselves is.

As to my gender, I did not see that one coming: I expected a reasoned argument but instead get an ad-hominiem attack, if you'll pardon yet another pun. Does it really matter to you that I'm a man or a woman? How does that change anything I've said?

"Living through the crap these fathers have created for themselves is."

Um, sometimes they don't create it for themselves. In fact, a great deal of the time they don't. The made the bad choice of choosing a very bad wife. Although at age 23, WHO KNEW.

"Does it really matter to you that I'm a man or a woman? How does that change anything I've said?"

On this subject, YOU BET!

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Divorce.shtml

I will say this however: I read through a lot of your posts on other threads and you sound a lot like me. You also sound a lot like me on THIS subject before my divorce eight years ago that was almost identical to the story in the link I posted. In fact, most of the divorced men I know can relate to that story.

I read this suicide story right after finishing "The 12th Angel" by Og Mandino. It discusses suicide in a way I don't think you've really thought about.

You contradict yourself in one paragraph: They choose the bad wife. They choose to have children with the bad wife. Where in that did they not create this for themselves? So you're ready to write that off because of their tender age, so how does it follow that at the more mature, thoughtful & wise ages of say 33 or 43 or 53, that suicide could be excused because of youthful indescretion?

And regarding gender & marital status: Tell me weather my credibility suffers if I'm a woman or single, divorced or married, with or without children. Also tell me, what would enhance my credibilty. Perhaps you & I have more in common than you think.

Gotta go, my crepes need folding!

driveserve

ps. I'll look up "The 12th Angel" by Og Mandino & have myself a read.

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