Ah'm fixin' t'reload, so let's git'r done!!
Posted on 06/02/2005 4:17:31 PM PDT by david ford
"Are you writing a thesis on the subject?"
No. Perhaps I should.
"That's a stretch."
Did you read what I wrote? Machtan's book is well-documented and has much more re: Hitler's homosexuality.
"According to the homosexual industry, anyone (famous or infamous) who has died, is a homosexual... Caesar, Lincoln, blah, blah, blah."
When was the last time you heard the homosexual industry say that Hitler was a homosexual?
"Hitler's sexual persuasion was certainly the least of his problems."
What were some of Hitler's problems?
"Are you writing a thesis on the subject?"
No. Perhaps I should.
Yes, perhaps you should. Your conjecture doesn't seem to be much more than a lecture.
Atheism and amorality are not synonomous though I would argue that God is the source of morality. And I'll argue it whenever anybody wants but put down the scatter gun and pick up the sniper rifle.
As for Hitler's sexual proclivities, I'm sure there are several things I'm less interested in but I can't think of one right now.
"Your [df's] conjecture doesn't seem to be much more than a lecture."
What do you consider Machtan's book-- basically "a lecture"?
Machtan, Lothar. 2001. _The Hidden Hitler_, translated by John
Brownjohn, notes translated by Susanne Ehlert (USA: Basic Books), 434pp.
On Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0465043097/qid=1117047383/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-5363513-6758530?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
What do you consider this Rauschning, relayed to U.S. intelligence-- basically "a lecture"?
From
http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/library/donovan/hitler/
on 204:
It is reported by Rauschning that Hitler has had overt
homosexual relations and in this connection has
mentioned three lovers; one, Forster (Gauleiter of
Danzig).
To be quite honest, I don't give a rat's ass if hitler was a homo or not.
"David, you are painting a narrow picture with a wide brush. ....paiting with a wide brush is itself bigotted."
Exact remarks of mine where I supposedly painted "with a wide brush"?
Do you see any O'Hair remarks below that you consider 'bigoted'?
[Wolfe in _The New Republic_]"She [O'Hair] was dictatorial,
irresponsible, racist, overbearing, corrupt, anti-Semitic, homophobic,
anti-Catholic, and at times criminal. .... this crudely embarrassing
atheist [i.e. O'Hair]"
[O'Hair to her father]"the Jews in big business are running this country
into the ground."
[O'Hair to her son William, after slapping him hard in the face]"Listen,
kid, the United States of America is nothing more than a fascist slave
labor camp run by a handful of Jew bankers in New York City."
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-39rvm4F63q0jrU1%40individual.net
[Gofreemind]"For newer atheists, Madalyn was anything but heroic. Her
rude, obnoxious public displays were an embarrassment."
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0503090734.55fbdce3%40posting.google.com
David, you might have better luck posting your conjecture over at DU. They have a bunch of fags in their consituency.
"I don't give a rat's ass if hitler was a homo or not."
I don't care that you don't care.
Is it the case that you "don't give a rat's ass if" [OSS report]"a large proportion of homosexuals" resided in the leadership of the Nazi Party-- [Goebbels]"the entire leadership of the Party"?
Goebbels: some SA leaders [Goebbels]"were on the point of exposing the entire leadership of the Party to suspicions of shameful and loathsome sexual abnormality"
Cited in Machtan, 215-16, who analyses the remark and concludes it wasn't sophistry or propaganda, but instead "a reflex reaction to a very real threat."
From
http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/library/donovan/hitler/
on page numbered 201:
(v) Attraction to homosexuals followed by their murder.
It is known that Hitler had a special admiration for
Roehm; whether it was this individual or Hitler himself
who was chiefly responsible in attracting such a large
proportion of homosexuals to the Nazi Party is uncertain,
but it is known that after two or three months of anxiety
and delusions to the effect that Roehm and his fellow
homosexuals were plotting to usurp power Hitler had
them all murdered in the purge of 1934.
"you might have better luck posting your conjecture over at DU."
What is "DU"?
Hey, this already flushed out two of them - a double-ZOT thread.
Do I hear three, what am I bid?
Well, got plenty of time for this to become a threefer.
*chuckle*
[Enterprise]"Uh, Hitler is not a particularly admired person at Free Republic. We all know he is a mass murderer. Is your point to equate homosexuals with mass murder?"
The logic below is impeccable:
[MRMEAN]"Hitler was a teetotal, the original anti-smoking Nazi, a vegetarian, anti-hunting animal rights activist who banned riding with the hounds. Therefore I conclude that non-drinkers, non-smokers, and animal rights activists all want to set up death camps and engage in mass genocide."
"Was that supposed to convince me of something? Just FYI, it failed spectacularly." How far did you read?
I'm just basically saying that "you're preaching to the choir here." Most of us don't need more proof or historical research to convince us that Hitler was a pervert and a mass murderer. Now, if something of a new and interesting historical nature comes up about Hitler, I'm sure it will draw a lot of views. And it is not a criticism about the post BTW, just one man's observation.
"I'm just basically saying that 'you're preaching to the choir here.'"
I typically dialogue with atheists.
"Most of us don't need more proof or historical research to convince us that Hitler was a pervert"
Last month, did you think Hitler was a homosexual?
Last month, did you think Hitler opposed Christianity?
Hitler was a materialist/ atheist. In reading sections from _Hitler's Secret Conversations: 1941-1944_, I may as well be reading Dawkins.
Hitler, Adolf, during meal times to his innermost circle plus the occasional reliable guest, e.g. Himmler, as prepared by Hitler's secretary Martin Bormann. 1953. _Hitler's Secret Conversations: 1941-1944_, translated by Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, with an introductory essay "The Mind of Adolf Hitler" by H.R. Trevor-Roper (NY: Farrar, Straus and Young), 597pp.
Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/47c284defb4765dd?
Who cares if Hitler was a homosexual? 99.9999% of homosexuals, athiests, Darwin-followers, and materialistic folks don't want to commit mass murder. Hitler was full of hate and he made his evil choices. I don't see the point of your post.
Draft 2 of a chronology of Darwinian thought and the march to the Final Solution
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/a005766a77c48cbd?
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