Posted on 05/17/2005 12:04:34 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=3129094
Yeah, that's her, all right, the DUmmiette who has this really obsessive infatuation with the felonious Andy.
Hey, I "exceeded" my bandwidth on photobucket, and speed_addiction had the name of another "host" for images, but I can't find it.
I really really really need to keep posting that image of the television star felonious Andy--who knows of another free "host" for images?
Yeah, I'm not that tight; I'm sending nine bucks to photobucket this morning, but that still takes a few days before they get it, and "service" is restored.
I had no idea what their warning e-mails meant; they might as well have been written in upside-down Japanese.
The answer to your questin is very easy...Andy makes her feel like she's the "special" one. In this whole scam she gets some sort od "fame" out of it.
Yep. Just like their aversion to guns, then all their bloviating (sorry, Mr. O'Rielly) about owning a gun and "I know how to use it and will shoot Republicans with it."
The answer to your questin is very easy...Andy makes her feel like she's the "special" one. In this whole scam she gets some sort of "fame" out of it. Notice in most of the websites it's her hubby they talk about...
You are so right. It would seem that Andy and Vreeland had the kind of relationship that afforded Andy to post Vreeland's passport on DU, in an effort to provide some sort of weird credibility. See post #173. Also, a DU member Sangh0 really nails Andy on a lot of stuff. A thread worth reading. More and more, that saying, birds of a feather flock together would seem to apply. Vreeland's a con artist. To the Andygate poster, thank you. Also, you'll see an example of how Andy contradicts himself throughout the entire thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x924780
Honest well-wishing sentiments only!
Why would "Andy" call them of all people??
There might be a method to that "madness" and this might be a clue;
Since DU was in lockdown mode CU and FR were the main conduits of information on the "scam" - with Speed_Addiction being in the thick of it on both sites. So if Andy wanted to "put out the fires" who would he call?? That's right a mover and shaker on CU and FR. Forget about if this is a scam or not for a second and look at the effect those calls to Scott and Speed_Addiction had here at FR. They were a big bucket of water on the fire. Stunning. Pretty smart move on Andy's part, really the best move he could make if this is a scam, or, if this isn't a scam. Actually IMO, it was a brilliant move on his part.
This whole saga is nearly as good as any novel I've read.
Me? I don't know, I'm still just guessin'.
Very interesting reading! Everything to them is a conspiracy. Funny they believe a two bit conman is the victim of Bush without any questions. And Stephenson definitely seems to know him. I got the feeling by reading that thread, that AS is a big show off and a liar and doesn't really know this guy but is just trying to impress his DUmmie friends. Wouldn't it be funny if he doesn't really know this guy and was just trying to impress the impressionable DUmmies and this scam blows up in his face and the FBI drags up that thread as proof that he is involved with some serious crimes and taking his cues from this Vreeland and he has to try to tell the FBI he was lying to the DUmmies. LOL
Yeah, except for the fact that Andy claims that Vreeland called him right after getting out of jail and how is it that Andy had his passport available for scanning? Is that something anyone can get off the web? Plus, the OP in that thread is to call Vreeland a crook, and Andy's post (#173) is to negate this, when Andy asks the rather stupid question...why would a con man have a passport? I cannot believe Andy is THAT lame, and why is he defending this guy? I don't get it. Plus, there's another reference in that thread where Ruppert (author of The Rubicon Crossing) also states Vreeland is a crook. And Vreeland and Ruppert are in the same LIHOP/MIHOP vein of thinking. Whether you dismiss Ruppert's writings or not as complete hogwash, Ruppert does not have the checkered past of Vreeland. My way of thinking, anyway.
Could it be also that if he wanted to get free (or very low cost) care in the state of Washington, he would have to prove that he was in financial need, and maybe he didn't want anyone looking into his finances? Perhaps he would not qualify as poor enough or maybe there were some things there he didn't want anyone to see. Remember, too, Undie the Fundee has been riding the donation gravy train, directly or indirectly, for at least a year if not longer.
"... how is it that Andy had his passport available for scanning? Is that something anyone can get off the web?"
Why, yes actually it is. Andy got it from here:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/vree_ind0013.jpg
Yes, that's possible too, although someone here posted that he had three months retroactive Medicaid to cover those charges in WA. To me, it would be preferable to have someone looking into my finances (assuming I had no assets, maybe he has secret millions hidden) rather than doing the fundraising stuff. Although, I admit, I am not the kind of person who asks for money or help, and he doesn't seem to see any problem with this, obviously. So maybe it's just all in a day's work to him.
He's been fund raising since December, hasn't he? I wondered the same thing as you. He must have used that money from prior fund raisers for his medical care before JH.
Well, there goes that theory. But it still doesn't address the fact that I would never think to scan someone's passport as a way to provide evidence of credibility. Thanks.
Did someone photoshop Howard Stern into that picture? Come on now folks - we want to see the real Beth.
Precisely. The art of war by Sun Tzu.
The followers will always come back in line if the opposition is in unrest.
Why do politicians move to the middle, because the lackys will always be there.
Take it to the oppostion and seed doubt. It was a brilliant move as I outlined before.
The gift of a grift.
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