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Conclusions of the U.S.-Mexico Migration Panel
Caregie Endowment for International Peace/Global Policy Program website ^ | February 15, 2001 | Caregie Endowment for International Peace / Kerry Boyd

Posted on 05/12/2005 5:55:18 PM PDT by JesseJane

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I know this is an older article. After reading it, it explains the Bush Policy on immigration. Having, for the life of me, been not able to understand what the heck has been going on, this explains it IMO. Especially the last 3 paragraphs.

I know it's long, however, after bumping into it one time today, and thinking about whether to post it or not, I decided I would...but it had been moved way down in ranking. So, rather than having this disappear like so many other things on the net, here it is. I bumped into it after readint the post today titled "Leftist Foundations Under Fire", and spotted the Carnegie name.

Without futher ado, and apologies for length, here it is.

1 posted on 05/12/2005 5:55:19 PM PDT by JesseJane
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To: JesseJane

If Mexico had a remotely honest government it would be cheaper to send aid to help them develop their country. A healthy Mexican economy would be good for everybody. However, Mexico is corrupt from top to bottom and finds it easier to behave as a big ole bloodsucker.


2 posted on 05/12/2005 6:03:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Anyone who thinks we believe Hillary on any issue is truly a moron.)
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To: cripplecreek
Agreed. Guess who pays for the 'grand bargain'?

The panel's report calls on the U.S. and Mexico to craft a "grand bargain" that would be mutually beneficial, make migration safe, legal, orderly, and predictable, and decrease migratory pressures over time.

3 posted on 05/12/2005 6:05:11 PM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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Interesting. The Report makes several funndamental errors in thinking, the main one being that Mexico will have any interest in halting the flow of illegal immigrants. Immigration acts both as a safety valve for a poverty-stricken Mexican society and as a nice infusion of cash, to the tune on tens of billions of dollars sent in by Mexican expats.
Mexico is hardly likey to give up either of these.


4 posted on 05/12/2005 6:05:17 PM PDT by Sterrins
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The more I read at the site, and related links, Mexico is also acting as a funnel country for aliens from other countries. So, Mexican illegals, though they constitute the bulk, is only one aspect of the scam Mexico is thrusting upon America.


5 posted on 05/12/2005 6:07:23 PM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: Sterrins

PS, you are right, the infusion of cash is also coming from those they funnel on through to the US.


6 posted on 05/12/2005 6:08:05 PM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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social and health protections

Here it is;open your checkbooks.

Mexico has acknowledged that it must take primary responsibility for its development; however, the NAFTA partners and certain financial institutions should help.

Mexico; "Sure, we'll see what we can do about the illegal immigration thing, but only after you dump a bunch of money into our country to help us with our own development, which we cannot possibly do on our own, and should not be expected to do so.

there must be an effort to stop deaths at the border

By us, of course.

The U.S. should facilitate the flow of legal migration

See? It's our fault. Always is.

it is not recommending that the two governments open the border now

No, no, that comes later, after there is nothing we can do to stop it.

This is why I generally stay away from illegal immigration threads. I do not have one positive thing to offer.

Just damn.

7 posted on 05/12/2005 6:09:37 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green is made of liberals...)
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I have a better idea...

Give the USA until December 25, 2005 to gather enough bright ribbon to wrap around the country, north to south and east to west, with a giant bow in the center. We will then attach a "Merry Christmas Mexico" card and call it a done deal.

Coupled with the $10 million SoS Rice hand delivered a couple of months ago, should make this a suitable grand bargain...whata ya say mexico??? Deal?

8 posted on 05/12/2005 6:20:30 PM PDT by Just A Nobody
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Teeney, I know what you mean. I only posted this because it explains what we've been seeing as it relates to the Bush policy and actions on illegals and immigration. I don't agree with a word of the damn thing, but I am drawing some conclusions about this 'globalist' policy.

Just FYI, when they speak of the BORDER REGION, if you go to the EPA website you find in the archives, the Border XXI REGION: Border XXI Program

The border between the U.S. and Mexico has been replaced by a shaded zone running between the two countries.

That 5 year program ended and now we are here:

U.S.-Mexico Border 2012 Framework (read on down to the La Paz Agreement...

interesting......... Just damn is right.

9 posted on 05/12/2005 6:24:14 PM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: Justanobody

Dear Just,

Thank you for the gift, esta mucho gusto. Not enough, give me more. / s

Signed,
V. Faux


10 posted on 05/12/2005 6:27:15 PM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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Holy crap. The whole thing makes my stomach turn. And I simply cannot believe the Republican party is allowing this to happen.


11 posted on 05/12/2005 6:27:19 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green is made of liberals...)
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I find it astounding that we have somehow entered in an de facto agreement to allow a massive segment of that country to become part of ours, with all public debate - where it's been discussed at all - trending massively against it.
12 posted on 05/12/2005 6:28:48 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("One cannot say that a law is right simply because it is a law.")
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Me neither. They have been trying to reshape the argument and see what the American people will swallow. 2006 may be our last chance to have a predominate 'citizen only' voice at the ballot box (in states with the monster electoral vote count). Who knows what rights the politicians and judges will bestow upon illegals by the 2008 Presidential election.


13 posted on 05/12/2005 6:34:48 PM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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"I simply cannot believe the Republican party is allowing this to happen."

Look no further than El Presidente Boosh.

The man is a stealth socialist bent on obliterating U.S. sovereignty.

He's doing a fine job thus far, isn't he?

14 posted on 05/12/2005 6:42:16 PM PDT by dreammaker
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It apparently was borne out of NAFTA. I was a subscriber to NewsMax.com mag for a while, and this article was in the November 15, 2001 issue vol 3 number 12.

EPA Website: No U.S. Border

Quoting from the article:

Sometime before the 2000 election I received an email about groups in Southern California calling for an end to the U.S.-Mexican border and the creation of a 'border zone"- an area 50 miles on either side of the U.S.-Mexican border that would become independent of either country.

I dismissed this as, well, wacky.

I don't anymore.

This past summer the respected magazine The Economist devoted several pages to this concept, suggesting that the idea of a 'third country' between Mexico and the United States has merit.

The magazine reported that 'thinking of the border as a separate country makes some kind of sense" because a "third nation" straddling the U.S.-Mexican border already has developed between Dan Diego/Tijuana on the west to Brownsville, Texas on the east.

Of course, the border is an imaginary political line. bust some would expand this line into a 'zone' or 'region' or 'area' that would become a separate country.

[snip]

The Economist says the genesis for the border zone 'country' germinated from NAFTA. As the U.S. and Mexican economies integrate, the need for a fixed border evaporates -- so the thinking goes. [snipped to end]

15 posted on 05/12/2005 6:46:36 PM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: dreammaker

no comment.


16 posted on 05/12/2005 6:49:56 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green is made of liberals...)
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To: teenyelliott
Say it.

If John Kerry or Clinton were pulling this crap, you and the rest of Freepdom would be pounding them into submission -- and rightfully so.

There is nothing more insidious than a traitor from within hiding behind the (R).

17 posted on 05/12/2005 6:53:52 PM PDT by dreammaker
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To: JesseJane
esta mucho gusto

Da nada. (dripping with sarcasm) BTW - I was off reading the links in your #9 post. All I can say is that I am now sick, muchas gracias.

18 posted on 05/12/2005 6:55:28 PM PDT by Just A Nobody
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"The Economist says the genesis for the border zone 'country' germinated from NAFTA. As the U.S. and Mexican economies integrate, the need for a fixed border evaporates -- so the thinking goes."

We've been set up by One Worlders like George H. Bush and Junior, and the rest of the Rockefeller RINO elitists who see the world NOT as sovereign countries, but as Trade Zones.

D@mn them. They are traitors to the Founders and to the Republic.

19 posted on 05/12/2005 6:58:04 PM PDT by dreammaker
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Hey Newbie -

READ THE ARTICLE, CHECK THE LINKS IN POST #9, DO THE MATH.........

20 posted on 05/12/2005 6:59:27 PM PDT by Just A Nobody
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