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Shiavo case revisited: New Starving Case in Georgia
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Posted on 04/07/2005 6:15:38 AM PDT by tacomonkey2002

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To: BykrBayb

Thanks for making the standard screwball charge of nazism. This shows that you know nothing either of Nazism or medical judgement.

Of course the first side to drag out the Nazi card in a debate loses the argument.


41 posted on 04/07/2005 12:18:46 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Another thing...HTH does one get to be a probate judge without even having a law degree?

That's what I want to know.

42 posted on 04/07/2005 12:23:02 PM PDT by agrace ([ It is He] that brings the princes to nothing; He makes the judges of the earth as vanity. Is 40:23)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

I'm sending this to Glenn Beck as we speak.


43 posted on 04/07/2005 12:46:04 PM PDT by Sunshine55 (Clemency for Darrell Birt NOW: http://www.petitiononline.com/su5nshin/petition.html)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
HEARsay came from *all* sides, but I'm guessing Greer merely followed the LETTER of the law by simply granting the "guardian's" wishes since the hearsay from 1 side didn't outweigh the other.

NO, Judge Greer did NOT follow the letter of the law. The law required that it be PROVED that Terri was PVS and that she would want to be starved and dehyrdated to death.

The law did not say that he could use a mere preponderance of the evidence, but that he had to have PROOF, which he clearly did not have.

Additionally, even with proof that she "wouldn't want to be kept alive" and that she was PVS, he had no right to forbid any attempt to feed her by mouth, only the right to stop her feeding tube.

44 posted on 04/07/2005 12:59:48 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: the OlLine Rebel
HEARsay came from *all* sides, but I'm guessing Greer merely followed the LETTER of the law by simply granting the "guardian's" wishes since the hearsay from 1 side didn't outweigh the other.

NO, Judge Greer did NOT follow the letter of the law. The law required that it be PROVED that Terri was PVS and that she would want to be starved and dehyrdated to death.

The law did not say that he could use a mere preponderance of the evidence, but that he had to have PROOF, which he clearly did not have.

Additionally, even with proof that she "wouldn't want to be kept alive" and that she was PVS, he had no right to forbid any attempt to feed her by mouth, only the right to stop her feeding tube.

45 posted on 04/07/2005 1:00:37 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aunt Polgara

OOPS, sorry about the double post.


46 posted on 04/07/2005 1:01:17 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: thoughtomator
I was harassed for weeks for pointing out this obvious continuation of allowing Terri Schiavo to be murdered

Only by the idiots.

47 posted on 04/07/2005 1:24:52 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: justshutupandtakeit

It's NOT "judging" the LAW. It's USING JUDGEMENT - in this case, feeling queezy about letting a guardian who's an adulterer who "changes his mind" about Terri's wishes have what is essentially his way.

No1 in their right mind would let such a situation slide. In this case, call it "reasonable doubt" about the truth of Terri's wishes.


48 posted on 04/07/2005 1:42:38 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I don't agree that these cases are caused by taxpayer funding. Before that, people took case of the elderly and infirm in their homes, and it was an expected part of life.

I have lived in the Social Security/ Medicare mileu for several years. What I see that soaks the taxpayers is lots of expensive surgery on very elderly patients and an eagerness to institutionalize people who would rather live at home. I call this the Medicare money machine. For instance, psychiatrists and podiatrists can bill everyone in the nursing home when they pass through. In this case, maybe the cardiac surgery which cost a fortune might not have made much sense, if they did it and then sent the patient to hospice.

49 posted on 04/07/2005 1:50:05 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: beaversmom

Even by some people who are not idiots, but were blinded by loyalty to the rule of law.


50 posted on 04/07/2005 1:53:57 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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Bump!


51 posted on 04/07/2005 11:06:49 PM PDT by windchime (Hillary: "I've always been a preying person")
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Hey, I didn't bring out the Nazi card. You're the one that said

"Nonsense. Nothing can stop most of it. These issues were never even seriously thought about as long as private resources were required to maintain the patient. Only after the pockets of the taxpayer became available or free money from the insurance companies were the enormous costs of prolonging the deaths acceptable."

I was just posting the source of that philosophy.

52 posted on 04/08/2005 3:02:24 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler <strike>Schiavo</strike> - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
If there really are "thousands of these cases at any given time across the land," then why would you object to any comparison to another culture that bragged about similar numbers of disabled people being exterminated?
53 posted on 04/08/2005 3:06:42 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler <strike>Schiavo</strike> - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: tacomonkey2002

I forwarded this story to Glenn Beck yesterday. Today he's all over it like "stink on a monkey". Sometimes things just "work out".


54 posted on 04/08/2005 8:00:33 AM PDT by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: Sacajaweau

The woman is 81. There is some excellent information and updates on this case at www.blogsforterri.com


55 posted on 04/08/2005 5:49:24 PM PDT by lastchance (Life is sacred.)
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To: tacomonkey2002

BTTT!


56 posted on 04/08/2005 6:18:39 PM PDT by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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