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TERRI SCHIAVO'S CT OF THE BRAIN
http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co.html ^

Posted on 03/25/2005 2:07:13 PM PST by mc6809e

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There is a link to Terri's CT scan at this page. There is plenty of brain left.
1 posted on 03/25/2005 2:07:13 PM PST by mc6809e
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The problem is Judge Greer doesn't care if she has a functioning cerebral cortex, he appointed pro-death doctors to review this many years ago and they reached the conclusion he wanted, that she should die.

And the appellate courts review his rulings with a very very deferential standard of review.

Meaning, essentially, the true facts don't matter, Judge Greer's exeuction will proceed.


2 posted on 03/25/2005 2:10:41 PM PST by tomahawk
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To: mc6809e
If W let's her die , I will pray for his soul!

B'shem Yshua
chuck

4 posted on 03/25/2005 2:13:21 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: mc6809e
Note how thick the skull is. This scan looks like a horizontal slice taken near the top of the head.

It would be better to see scans of other parts of the brain closer to the middle to get the total understanding of her brain's physical condition.

5 posted on 03/25/2005 2:13:30 PM PST by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: mc6809e

She is fed and hydrated by tubes. The staff changes her diapers regularly. She has had numerous health problems.


SHE CAN swallow! MS directions for the tubes but NOT NEEDED. Change diapers? WHY? NO physical therapy, no range of motion - left in a bed to rot - She was a healthy vibrant young lady before "incident". Actually, her friends say she had no eating disorder.


6 posted on 03/25/2005 2:14:12 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: mc6809e

Everyone with evidence no matter how small should start emailing copays of it to the Florida State Attny Generals Office and the US Attny Generals Office and any other authority that you can think of.

Maybe we are too late to save Terri but we can go on pushing for an investigation into the crooks behind this murder. And that's what I think this is. It's just court sanctioned murder.


8 posted on 03/25/2005 2:20:24 PM PST by GloriaJane ("How Many Babies Are Crying In Heaven Tonight" http://music.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: mc6809e
765.101 Definitions.--As used in this chapter:

(12) "Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any kind.

(b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment.

Taking those parameters and applying their their strictest meaning, which must be done because this is legal language meant to define a condition of law that must be met, even a layman can easily see that Terri does not fit the requirements. Terri smiles and laughs with her father. I argued with a doctor on FR last night and he tried to dance around this asking "how does she not fit that definition?" Decide for yourself. Look at the video and study the language of the statute carefully. Do you really need to be a brain surgeon and a lawyer to see the truth?

Regardless of all the fine lines of physiology and ever changing medical views on consciousness and prognosis and potential treatments a doctor must give an opinion to the court that focuses solely on those legal questions above. And the law also requires two doctors to do independent examinations and put their diagnosis on the patients medical chart with their signature.

FMCDH

MOLON LAVE

BLOAT

9 posted on 03/25/2005 2:22:13 PM PST by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky! ... Is your spouse?)
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Judgenfuhrer Greer: "Got to get that cremation going soon.
Should I wait for the 'bitch' to fully die?
After all, she has already made me, my wife, and the lawyers a small fortune."

HEALTHFUL DRINKS AND WARM MEALS SINCE THE ORDER-TO-MURDER-AN-INVALID BY JUDGE GREER
Murderer-At-Will Judge Greer 32
......................... Terri Shiavo 0
.......................... Lee Malvo 25
.......................... Scott Peterson 24

10 posted on 03/25/2005 2:24:15 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: TigersEye
Do you really need to be a brain surgeon and a lawyer to see the truth?

I don't. The CT tells me all I need to know.

Especially, comparing it to a healthy brain.

11 posted on 03/25/2005 2:37:30 PM PST by the Deejay ( I'LL RESPECT YOUR OPINION....IF YOU'LL RESPECT MINE.....)
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To: Battle Axe

Good thought - Maybe this case w/stop the illegals.


12 posted on 03/25/2005 2:49:46 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Battle Axe

Good thought - if he could come and be at the hospice to support Terri he would.

Maybe this case w/stop the illegals.


13 posted on 03/25/2005 2:52:18 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: the Deejay
They should have shown a CT scan of a normal brain for comparison. And at the same level for better comparison. Let's see if this helps:

Axial CT image of a normal brain using a state-of-the-art CT system and a 512 x 512 matrix image. Note the two black "pea-shaped" ventricles in the middle of the brain and the subtle delineation of gray and white matter

(Courtesy: Siemens)

Link

Terri's brain (the picture from the blog won't post here)

14 posted on 03/25/2005 2:56:03 PM PST by Tarantulas
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Plus he received money from attorneys who have represented Micky Schiavo. Duh, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to think this judge has been bought.


15 posted on 03/25/2005 3:00:12 PM PST by tillacum
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To: Tarantulas
I saw a side by side comparison on Greta's show last night. Excellent images.

Healthy brain was very light, Terri's very dark.

16 posted on 03/25/2005 3:01:57 PM PST by the Deejay ( I'LL RESPECT YOUR OPINION....IF YOU'LL RESPECT MINE.....)
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To: the Deejay
The wording that the blogger is objecting to comes from the District Court. Here's what the very first trial results said:

But the overwhelming credible evidence is that Terri Schiavo has been totally unresponsive since lapsing into the coma almost ten years ago, that her movements are reflexive and predicated on brain stem activity alone, that she suffers from severe structural brain damage and to a large extent her brain has been replaced by spinal fluid, that with the exception of one witness whom the court finds to be so biased as to lack credibility, her movements are occasional and totally consistend with the testimony of the expert medical witnesses. The testimony of Dr. Barnhill establishes that Terri Schiavo's reflex actions such as breathing and movement shows merely that her brain stem and spinal cord are intact.

Reference (page 6)

Some people have made a big deal over the courts saying "spinal fluid" instead of "cerebrospinal fluid." I call that nitpicky.

Here's some information about the cerebral cortex - Terri's is badly damaged:

The cerebrum (cerebral cortex) is the largest part of the brain, with a heavily folded surface of gyri (ropy structures) and sulci (valleys). Areas on the Cerebrum are called lobes. The outer 2-6 mm is gray matter, while the inner tissue is white matter as well as islands of gray matter (see slice). The frontal lobe is involved in speech, elaboration of thought and emotion, and skilled movements (Executive Functioning). The temporal lobe is involved in recognition of specific tones and loudness, and in memory storage. The parietal lobe is involved perceiving and interpreting bodily sensations such as touch, pressure, pain and temperature. The occipital lobe detects and interprets visual images. Neurons of the cerebellum link with other regions of the brain and the spinal cord, facilitating smooth, precise movements, and controlling balance and posture. The brain stem is in gray at the bottom of the graphic. It is also involved in speech. Carbon monoxide poisoning can disrupt function in all areas of the cerebral cortex.

Reference

17 posted on 03/25/2005 3:30:21 PM PST by Tarantulas
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To: the Deejay
I fully agree with you. I found CodeBlueBlog a few days ago (thanks to a thread on FR) and have read most of what they say. Makes it clear that noting is clear about Terri's condition doesn't it?

My point is a little different. In FL there is a legal definition of PVS and only that is germane to making a legal ruling about it. Is she unconcious? Obviously not. Is there an absence of voluntary action of any kind? Obviously not. Is there an absence of cognitive behavior of any kind? When you react to what someone says isn't that some kind of cognitive action? Is she unable to interact purposefully with her environment? If you smile at what someone says doesn't that have a purpose to it? Is she unable to communicate? Isn't a smile or a laugh a form of communication?

A doctor here on FR tried to tell me she fit those legal parameters. I don't think I'd trust him to diagnose a runny nose myself. I know what terms like 'interact' and 'unconcious' and 'cognitive' mean. I have eyes. It seems like some people substitute college degrees for brains and think everyone who doesn't have one should bow at their feet. Not me.

FMCDH

MOLON LAVE

BLOAT

18 posted on 03/25/2005 3:52:50 PM PST by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky! ... Is your spouse?)
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To: tillacum
"it doesn't take a brain surgeon to think this judge has been bought."

Bought, but likely not paid in full till Terri's cremated. I've been saying for awhile that all three are in on this (Schiavo, Felos, Greer), and that there's VERY big money behind it. I suspect Swiss accounts.

Nothing else make sense. There's no other logical explanation for a judge to go so wacky on JUST ONE case.

19 posted on 03/25/2005 3:55:16 PM PST by oprahstheantichrist (Terri's battle is NOT against flesh and blood....)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

Or M. Schiavo.


20 posted on 03/25/2005 3:56:42 PM PST by TigersEye (Are your parents Pro-Choice? I guess you got lucky! ... Is your spouse?)
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