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David Banach indicted under USA PATRTIOT ACT
Global News Matrix ^ | March 24, 2005 | MatrixMetaphore

Posted on 03/24/2005 8:08:38 AM PST by MatrixMetaphore

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To: MatrixMetaphore

And what about perjury?


61 posted on 03/24/2005 9:15:49 AM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: MacDorcha

He wasn't under oath and in court. He provided false statements to an FBI Agent. THAT's the crime he committed (with respect to lieing).


62 posted on 03/24/2005 9:17:28 AM PST by MatrixMetaphore
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To: MatrixMetaphore

Exactly what would the light be bouncing off to highlight/point out a constellation?


63 posted on 03/24/2005 9:20:43 AM PST by thoughtomator (Murder by Judges, 1 - 2 - 3, it's as easy to learn as your ABCBSCNNMSNBCs)
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To: thoughtomator

I don't know the mechanics behind how they work. I've done a 2-minute internet search for green laser manufactorers, and one of their "suggested uses" includes stargazing.


64 posted on 03/24/2005 9:21:53 AM PST by MatrixMetaphore
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To: MatrixMetaphore

Hmm. OK, you've sold me.

The irresponsible liar shouldn't have had more punishments drug onto him via the PA. Unless of course the PA is the new word on punishments.

It hardly seems "cruel and unusual"


65 posted on 03/24/2005 9:30:19 AM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: MatrixMetaphore

Given the population density of the area, his stargazing put thousands of lives at risk. At best, he is staggeringly irresponsible; at worst, assuming it was his intent to hit the plane with the laser, his actions can be accurately construed as terrorist. If he blinded the pilots of that plane, it could well have come down into a dense urban area, perhaps even into New York City, which is not far from that airport.


66 posted on 03/24/2005 9:39:21 AM PST by thoughtomator (Murder by Judges, 1 - 2 - 3, it's as easy to learn as your ABCBSCNNMSNBCs)
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To: MacDorcha

If the PA is the "new standard" on law, every crime with have an elevated sentence.


67 posted on 03/24/2005 9:47:39 AM PST by MatrixMetaphore
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To: McGavin999
And you don't think pointing a laser at a plane is a terrorist act? I guess those guys who flew into the towers were just off course, hmmmm?

Let's see, dedicated men purposely striving to destroy our country and our way of life through a well-financed, well-planned years-long plot vs. some idiot playing with a laser pointer in his back yard having no motive but stupid mischief.

No, I won't equate the two. We already have non-terrorism laws for stuff like this.

Give the government a sledgehammer specifically for smashing bricks, and they'll use that power to make driving nails into drywall easier, with the subsequent damage to the structure.

68 posted on 03/24/2005 9:49:47 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: ladtx
How do you use a laser to look at the stars?

These lasers have minimal range. You should be able to see and avoid illuminating any plane within range, the rest being way up and out of range.

Or did I get your question wrong? Most red lasers are only easily visible at the point of contact with an object. But green diode lasers have a clearly visible beam, which makes them excellent for astronomy class.

69 posted on 03/24/2005 9:54:03 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: MatrixMetaphore

Fine by me. More harsh punishements are needed to scare people into being lawful in the first place.

If the worst thing that could happen to me if I stole was a couple years getting 3 squares a day, I'd do it and consider jail time my "work" I put into it.


70 posted on 03/24/2005 9:57:16 AM PST by MacDorcha ("Do you want the e-mail copy or the fax?" "Just the fax, ma'am.")
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To: Pylot
Well here is the first example of the prosecution of a citizen under a law created and allegedly reserved for terrorists.

Sorry, it's happened before. They used it against the owner of a Las Vegas strip club, Michael Galardi, in a simple local corruption investigation.

71 posted on 03/24/2005 10:00:54 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: brothers4thID
Do you know anything about it?", why wouldn't the perfectly innocent and misunderstood fellow say "Oh $^&*(&^! I totally did not realize that would happen I am so sorry, What can I do?"

Because he thought it was more rational to say, "No, my daughter did it, and I'm willing to testify against her in court."

72 posted on 03/24/2005 10:23:39 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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If there was intent. It's not certain there was.

He hit the jet not once, not twice, but three times with the laser. Then, when the police flew the jet pilots over the area during their investigation, he hit the police helicopter!

There may not have been intent to cause any aircraft to crash, although if there was ever a case where "dumbass" should be a sentence enhancement this is it. But how could there not have been intent to shine the laser at aircraft?
73 posted on 03/24/2005 11:24:32 AM PST by Turbopilot (Viva la Reagan Revolucion!)
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I have a high power green laser that we use for stargazing and antenna pointing. The beam is easily visible at night and is wonderful for pointing at stars. It is also capable of projecting for very long distances (we have done 15 mi.)

I don't know what his intention was and hitting aircraft 3 times tells me he is at the very least a complete moron, but there are several legitimate uses for these things and yes they are plenty powerful enough to hit airplanes at any altitude. Pointing problems not withstanding.

74 posted on 03/24/2005 11:43:21 AM PST by getsoutalive
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To: antiRepublicrat

Your right, I should not have said first.

But I probably should have said another inevitable among many more undoubtedly to come.


75 posted on 03/24/2005 1:04:28 PM PST by Pylot
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