Russians Outlaw Criticism of Govt on Internet

neekas backlog ^ | 1/27/05 | neeka

[jb6]

I stopped when I got to Pravda, a communist hack website/news paper that is also very anti-Putin, since the Communists keep loosing to him. I think Pravda's main readership is here in the US.

[jb6]

Why would you possibly need to go to Russia, speak to Russians or even know a Russian to be an expert on Russians. After all, everything that is evil is Russian, and walla, you're an expert on Russia.

[TapTheSource]

"Many western Europeans, who are closer to Russia, are personally afraid to be there."

Gee, I wonder why? I correspond with a number of Europeans close to the border. I will email them and ask them why Russia gives them the jitters. I will start with my buddy in Finland, and then post their responses one by one to the appropriate thread (maybe I will create a thread for their responses...could be very educational). BTW, thanks for your posts. Too many people are afraid of the Putin uber allis crowd. I think it's about high time FReepers get to speak their mind on the subject of Russo/US/European/etc relations--TTS

[jb6]

Here's another credible Pravda story:

A nice scientific one:

Death rate among men highest on their birthdays - 01/24/2005 13:01 The number of acute respiratory diseases grows during a month, which precedes a person's birthday

Spiderboy's dream to walk comes true owing to unique operation

Gee, what papers in America have similar titles...I keep seeing them every time I check out at a counter in the grocery store...now let me see...

[jb6]

here's another good one:

Psychic security department protects Russian presidents from external psychological influence -

Americans have created radiators of modulated signals, which control people's behavior thousands of kilometers from afar

Or better yet:

Leonardo da Vinci's secret lab discovered
And only Pravda has the pravda on that one.

[familyop]

"Should they expend energy desperately trying to find a stray article (needle in a haystack) to refute you, or resort to what they know best...ad hominym attack."

I wonder where the older, wiser Russian men are--those who don't have the puffed-up, blind attitude taught by the State. With their lessons about pride and humility, it seems that more mature men would be better for the job of public relations for Russia. Russia's retired officers could surely do a better job than western European youth.

[TapTheSource]

"As for selling nukes to Iran, that is a light water nuke, which is what WJC gave to North Korea."

So now you are comparing Putin's KGB-controlled Russia to the Commie-symp Bill Clinton? Have you no feel for your audience at all? Indeed, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest that your buddy Bill Clinton was recruited by the Commies when he fled to the Communist block during the Vietnam War. Like I said, it is clear you will never disagree with Putin and his KGB cronies...EVER.

[familyop]

"Leonardo da Vinci's secret lab discovered And only Pravda has the pravda on that one."

I see your point and couldn't help but laugh after seeing those Pravda pages.

I continue to wonder why Dmitry Kravchuk would put what appear to be government (or proposed government) censorship rules on his site, though. It is true that we in the USA can regulate content in our privately owned news and opinion publications, if we do not hurt anyone by the content. But I haven't seen any US publications with rules like Dmitry's.

[koba37]

But, TTS, perhaps you should worry about what's going on here, at home, and the attempts by Congress to do the same, and these attempts pre-date Russia's:

"The Internet Is Not A Television
The Citizens Internet Empowerment Coalition (CIEC), a broad coalition of library and civil liberties groups, online service providers, newspaper, book, magazine and recording industry associations, and over 56,000 individual Internet users, represents the entire breadth of the Internet community. The CIEC was assembled in February of 1996 to challenge the CDA on the grounds that the Internet is a unique communications medium, different from traditional broadcast mass media which deserves broad First Amendment protections.
Unlike television and radio, which has a limited channel capacity and affords viewers little control beyond the channel button and the on/off switch, every Internet user is a publisher with the capacity to reach millions of people at very low cost. Individual Internet users also have tremendous control over the content they receive online, and can prevent their children from viewing objectionable material, whether sexually explicit or otherwise, by employing inexpensive and easy-to-use blocking and filtering technologies which can filter based on the individual tastes and values of parents, not the federal government.

By imposing broadcast-style content regulations on the open, decentralized Internet, the CDA severely restricts the first amendment rights of all Americans and threatens the very existence of the Internet itself. Although well intentioned, the CDA can never be effective at controlling content on a global medium, where a web site in Sweden is as close as a site in Boston. The CIEC case is based on the argument that the only effective and constitutional way to control children's access to objectionable material on the Internet is to rely on user control.

It is also important to note that the CDA is not about child pornography, obscenity, or using the Internet to stalk children. These are already illegal under current law. Instead, the CDA prohibits posting "indecent" or "patently offensive" materials in a public forum on the Internet -- including web pages, newsgroups, chat rooms, or online discussion lists. This would include the texts of classic fiction such as the "Catcher in the Rye" and "Ulysees", the "7 dirty words", and other materials which, although offensive to some, enjoy the full protection of the First Amendment if published in a newspaper, magazine, or a book, or in the public square.

The outcome of this case will have a tremendous impact on the future of the First Amendment in the information age. "

[nw_arizona_granny]

ping

[GarySpFc]

So now you are comparing Putin's KGB-controlled Russia to the Commie-symp Bill Clinton? Have you no feel for your audience at all? Indeed, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest that your buddy Bill Clinton was recruited by the Commies when he fled to the Communist block during the Vietnam War. Like I said, it is clear you will never disagree with Putin and his KGB cronies...EVER.

You have to be totally delusional to think Bill Clinton is my buddy. I'm a veteran who fought communism, and was also a strong supporter or Ronald Reagan. Indeed, I support the Reagan Library, but groundless ACCUSATIONS are part and parcel of hell itself. While I despise Bill Clinton, I recognize a stupid charge that he was recruited by the communists in Russia. WJC's philosophy of life is himself, not communism.

[kosta50]

I NEVER read one WORD from the new Ukrainian President about how ashamed he was that some of his Roman Catholic countrymen supported the nazis by being guards at many nazi concentration camps. One has to wonder why?

Because most of the "orange" ones come from that side of the house, as most of the Croatian nationalists are connected to the former Croatian fascists and Hitler's allies.

In 1945, they all sought refuge in the Vatican, fascist Spain, fascistoid Latin America (Argentina and Chile), as well as the U.S. as staunch anti-communists, and as victims of communist repression.

[kosta50]

BTW Yushchenko is not Ukrainian Orthodox -- he belongs to that self-styled "church" by that name. There is a genuine Ukrainian Orthodox Church and he (and his wife, who is Uk-Canadian) does not belong to it.

The BS from the TROLL keeps on comin'.

[jb6]

Maybe he's paranoid, maybe he's an ultra-patriot, though real patriots should have the power not only to defend a government but also to criticize it as needed, that's in opposition to say our MSM who don't criticize as needed but ridicule as opportunity presents itself.

[Lion in Winter]

I just read on a web site for a Church called the Orthodox Church in America that they do not have a Patriarch to head their church but they are part of the Eastern Orthodox Church like the Greeks and the Russians.

This is off topic but how does a country get a Patriarch for its Church. American is a young country as opposed to the age of Russia or Greece.... so, how does a country the size of the USA not have a Patriarch.

Thanks, your comments about your Church piqued my interest.

[GarySpFc]

I just read on a web site for a Church called the Orthodox Church in America that they do not have a Patriarch to head their church but they are part of the Eastern Orthodox Church like the Greeks and the Russians.

I cannot answer your question, but I am familiar with the Orthodox Church in America. My wife was ROC in Russia, and when she came to America we looked for one in the Overland Park, Kansas area. I knew at one time there was a ROC in Kansas City, Kansas, but it disappeared several years earlier. We visited the Greek Orthodox Church, but Nadya did not care for it, and so we continued attending the Christian Church. We decided to switch to the Church of Christ, and discovered they were building an OCA directly across the street. We talked to several of the members and learned the OCA is a break off of the ROC. They were given their own mission by Patriarch in Moscow, and shortly thereafter there was a split, with some of the churches retaining their ROC mission and others the OCA mission. The theology for the two churches are the same, but the OCA services are in English, and they do use chairs approximately half the service.

[jb6]

U.S. students say press freedoms go too far

Welcome to 1984 America, the kiddies have finally been well trained.

[blackminorcapullets]

Lion in Winter offers us the following when asked which sight he preferred on the M14 (as he was in the US military)

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Hey, stupid .... ever heard of the M1??? The Garand?
The greatest battle implement ever devised.

NEVER EVER POST TO ME AGAIN BECAUSE YOU ARE A FOOL AND A TROLL!

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My my my - what have we here. We have three United States Veterans that have not answered the simple question re: their preference of peep or open sight for the M14.

What we do have is somebody that knows how to Google search "M14" which offers the following:

"THE ENERGIZER RIFLE: M-14 Sniper Rifle
... General George S. Patton considered the M1 Garand to be "…the greatest battle implement
ever devised.""

Hey "Lieing in Winter", why did you have to google search M14 if you were in the US military.

You woould not ber misrepresenting yourself and others, would you?

[blackminorcapullets]

GarySpFc

Have you checked the hilarious responses from your fellow veteran buddis about the M14?

So did you prefer the peep sight or open sight?

[blackminorcapullets]

"The argument of the governor of Moscow has been supported by deputy head of federal agency for press and mass communications (Rospechat, former Ministry of Press) Andrei Romanchenko. During his Wednesday's speech at the conference entitled "Information security of Russia in global information age," he proposed to create a unified system of the so-called 'content filtering' in Russia."


This is so sad - Russia is doomed to piral out of control and crash - such a shame and especially for my Russian friends. They had so much promise 10 years ago but like horses, they run back into the flames of the burning barn because its the only security they know.

At least Ukraine has managed to pull itself from this mess.