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IPV6/INTERNET2 ARTICLE IGNITES INTERNET FIRESTORM
www.FreeMarketNews.com ^ | Jan. 3, 2005 | Chris Mack

Posted on 01/03/2005 1:58:51 PM PST by FreeMarket1

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1 posted on 01/03/2005 1:58:53 PM PST by FreeMarket1
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To: FreeMarket1

Good read for later!


3 posted on 01/03/2005 2:00:41 PM PST by KoRn
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To: FreeMarket1

Speaking as someone in the networking business -- would it be fair for me to summarize that this huge alarmist article that no one will read carefully is basically complaining that IPv6 doesn't require you to use NAT?


4 posted on 01/03/2005 2:02:03 PM PST by mhx
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To: FreeMarket1
In theory, IPv6 could be used exactly the same way as IPv4 is used today, in conjunction with privacy measures such as Network Address Translation (NAT) and Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP).

Nice notion, only NAT and DHCP were never intended as privacy measures, they were band-aids to cover the festering inadequacies of the IPv4 protocol in the realm of scalability and management.

5 posted on 01/03/2005 2:03:04 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: FreeMarket1

Interesting. For later read.


6 posted on 01/03/2005 2:04:03 PM PST by redgolum
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...

Internet2 Ping


7 posted on 01/03/2005 2:05:05 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: mvpel
...NAT and DHCP were never intended as privacy measures,...

The Law of Unintended Consequences strikes again!

8 posted on 01/03/2005 2:06:16 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: mhx

Let me restate my understanding of the article.

With the current IPv4, you trust someone to sell you a box that implements NAT software that blocks outside people from accessing your private machines. If you want outside people to access your stuff, you configure the NAT software to allow a specific connection to go through.

In the future, with IPv6, you will trust someone to sell you a box that implements firewall software tha blocks outside people from accessing your private machines. If you want outside people to access your stuff, you configure the firewall software to allow a specific connection to go through.


9 posted on 01/03/2005 2:07:30 PM PST by mhx
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To: jasoncann

There is absolutely no interest among U.S. internet service providers in implementing IPv6. There are efforts in places like Japan and China to push it out, but they are going to take a long time. I wouldn't bet you'll see any significant deployment of IPv6 in the United States before 2010.


10 posted on 01/03/2005 2:10:50 PM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: FreeMarket1

Read later BUMPMARK


11 posted on 01/03/2005 2:11:12 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (I believe in American Exceptionalism! Do you?)
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To: FreeMarket1
hmm i'll haveta read this one in deapth later.

I did my ccna about a year ago and it covered some prelim IPv6 stuff...as in what it is/for.

As i skimmed through it ( i didn't like the author's tone at the start of the article squealing about government conspiracy and what not) i noticed a claim that IPv4 was good for another 20 years or so...thats just not true.

NAT, sub-netting and all those goodies were fixes to expand the life of ipv4. I'm going to compare the ipv4 to the old memory structure of the dos machines...8086..286 ect when they said who would ever need more then 640kb of ram then they added Himem and xms and some other stuff to rig it to take more...now look at computers ram isn't considered when a project manager sits down to code a project. It's just too cheap and there is no reason to be thrifty.

I was fairly certain that we'd just about run out of class A address (to the point where the people who doll them out, which isn't the us feds won't give them to your average person) hurten on the class b's and low on class c's because there just aren't that many of them. So i dunno I'll check it out later when i have time to read
12 posted on 01/03/2005 2:12:10 PM PST by tfecw (dolphins are the spawn of evil)
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To: FreeMarket1
In a word: Hunh?

Your current IP address explicitly identifies you -- if ISPs wished to keep that many logs. Try sending something unpleasant to president@whitehouse.gov and see how long it takes the feds to visit with cattle prods.

The primary purpose of IPV6/NG is to create more potential IP addresses/concurrent connections.

13 posted on 01/03/2005 2:12:34 PM PST by dfrussell
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

cisco's been toolen around with ipv6 routers/switches since before last year so their ready to deploy. I'm sure they've even made nifty little black boxes that can go from ipv6 to ipv4 at some infinate cost ;)


14 posted on 01/03/2005 2:13:53 PM PST by tfecw (dolphins are the spawn of evil)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

A better technology than NAT and DHCP is a VPN (virtual private network). I would guess that it's use will increase with IPv6 and will take care of all of the problems this author foresees.


15 posted on 01/03/2005 2:14:44 PM PST by mongrel
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To: FreeMarket1
IPV6 IMPROVES PERFORMANCE BUT ITS USE ENABLES SPYING

All we got to do is get "IPV6" classified as 'spyware' and it will be dead in the water.

16 posted on 01/03/2005 2:15:03 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: WestCoastGal; glock rocks; steveegg

FYI


17 posted on 01/03/2005 2:18:18 PM PST by ChefKeith (If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?)
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To: mhx
Haven't followed this issuse in a while, but it strikes me that if we each had our own IP address (guess we'd buy one?) we really wouldn't need an ISP. Could we connect right to the internet?
Also, are current routers equipped for the extended IP addresses?
18 posted on 01/03/2005 2:18:48 PM PST by ProudVet77 (The silly hour has begun.)
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To: tfecw
cisco's been toolen around with ipv6 routers/switches since before last year so their ready to deploy. I'm sure they've even made nifty little black boxes that can go from ipv6 to ipv4 at some infinate cost ;)

Most PCs support IPv6 (Windows XP & Mac OS X all have native support. Most network gear supports IPv6 (e.g. routers), but only for software-based forwarding. Hardware-based forwarding is not yet available, meaning that while you can run IPv6 in a production network, you can't run it at the same scale as you can with IPv4. In addition, most firewalls, DHCP servers, mail servers, and other support servers aren't yet IPv6 capable.

The biggest obstacle to IPv6 deployment is that they haven't figure out yet how to allow folks to connect to multiple ISPs. There are still a lot of hurdles to overcome, and of course the biggest hurdle is that nobody has figure out how to make any money with it yet.

19 posted on 01/03/2005 2:20:06 PM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: mhx

I'm reading it the same way as you are... this guy is afraid that switching technology to IPv6 will somehow do away with firewall devices. His misguided point seems to be that because there will be enough IP addresses that NAT and therefore private addressing will not be needed.
Obviously to the author(LOL), the only reason people buy firewalls is for NATing.


20 posted on 01/03/2005 2:22:56 PM PST by YummiBox
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