President renews call for guest worker program

The Houston Chronicle/AP ^ | Dec. 20, 2004

[EagleUSA]

Let's hope for the sake of America, it is not just more Washington double-talk...

[bayourod]

From the Wall Street Journal:

"After first denying it, Mr. Krikorian was forced to admit that CIS is a spin-off of FAIR.

In fact, CIS, FAIR, NumbersUSA, Project-USA and more than a half-dozen similar groups that Republicans have become disturbingly comfy with, were founded or funded (or both) by John Tanton, a retired doctor in Michigan. In addition to trying to stop immigration to the U.S., appropriate population-control measures for Dr. Tanton and his network include promoting China's one-child policy, sterilizing Third World women and wider use of RU-486.

FAIR, where Mr. Krikorian once worked, is run by Dan Stein and shares advisers and personnel with CIS and other members of the Tanton nexus. As our Jason Riley noted in a March op-ed, "By Dr. Tanton's own reckoning, FAIR has received more than $1.5 million from the Pioneer Fund, a white-supremacist outfit devoted to racial purity through eugenics."

[theDentist]

...the Border Patrol shouldn't be chasing "goodhearted people who are coming here to work."

Excuse me, Sir, but they aren't. They are chasing illegal immigrants, who skipped over a porous border for work, to sell drugs, to steal, rape, and murder, and to get on various governmental rolls to get money for nothing. And IMO you just undercut them.

[bayourod]

Playing word games doesn't change the facts. People who want to come here to work should be allowed to. Labor is an asset, not a liability.

[theDentist]

They are coming here in an illegal fashion. I have no problem with those who follow the immigration rules, come over and work. The illegals though should be kicked out immediately. And the border should be closed.

[bayourod]

You're playing word games with the word "illegal". President Bush is proposing a LEGAL guest worker program.

But if your only problem with Mexican laborers is that they are coming here illegally, then you should welcome Bush's plan to allow them to come here legally, right?

Or can you now come up with another feeble excuse to dislike them?

[theDentist]

Apparently your feeble mind didn't grasp that I said I have no problem with immigrants coming here legally. Further, if they were here legally, the Border Patrol wouldn't be chasing them. He floated this same balloon some time ago, and in the details they said they were to allow illegals amnesty based on how long they were here and working.

We'll just agree to disagree. Have a Merry Christmas.

[bayourod]

"they said they were to allow illegals amnesty "

No. You're just playing more word games. No one is being granted amnesty from any crimes they have committed.

[blinachka]

I am rather leary of a "guest worker" program. Look what happened in Germany, the Netherlands and many other European nations which had a such programs. The workers never left and are now wreaking havoc over there...

I could be swayed to support a program for "guest workers" so long as there are extremely strict (and enforced) criteria for the program. This would include:

1. Very, VERY strict criteria on the types of work they may do.

2. Absolutely NO family members may join them during their employment period in the USA ( and by this I mean NONE! NO wives, no children no parents. NONE!! as in ZERO!).

3.They MUST be paid via check (NO CASH!!) and have ALL taxes garnished from their wages at a higher rate than US citizens pay.

4. They MUST visit an Immigration/"Guest worker" Social worker every 2 weeks (sort of like a probation officer - if they don't show up 2 times, a warrant is issued for their arrest, once apprehended they are deported and lose eligibility for citizenship forever).

5.They MUST enter the country with a valid guest worker visa (valid in increments of 3 months, six months, 9 months or one year - no more) and ALL arrangements for employment must be made PRIOR to their arrival through a "Guest worker employment agency".

6.These workers will not be entitled to ANY government benefits or subsidies. Employers may choose to provide benefits such as basic healthcare or housing but are not required to do so. If this benefit IS provided, only the actual worker may be covered and only during his period of employment. Any costs that are not covered by the employer provided benefits would be garnished from the wages of the guest worker.

I think that's about it...for now. I may come up with a few more ideas for what could be deemed an acceptable "guest worker" program to me.

[bayourod]

As an old girlfriend once told me, everything's negotiable.

[blinachka]

I'd have to say almost everything. But definitely not "everything".

[GarySpFc]

Playing word games doesn't change the facts. People who want to come here to work should be allowed to. Labor is an asset, not a liability.

NONSENSE! Labor is a big asset to an employer when he doesn't have to pay full benefits. The public is having to pick up the tab for what low-life employers are unwilling to pay for legal workers.

[exhaustedmomma]

"If somebody who is here working wants to be a citizen, they can get in line," he said.

hmmmmm, would that "line" be anything like the "line" they are suppose to get in to come into the country in the first place???

[bayourod]

Just as the Democrats can't grasp the concept that you can't have employees without having employers, the anti-Hispanic crowd can't grasp the concept that you can't have employers without employees.

How do they expect to get a good white collar executive job with a company, if that company doesn't exist because they don't have enough blue collar laborer employees?

[GarySpFc]

Just as the Democrats can't grasp the concept that you can't have employees without having employers, the anti-Hispanic crowd can't grasp the concept that you can't have employers without employees.
How do they expect to get a good white collar executive job with a company, if that company doesn't exist because they don't have enough blue collar laborer employees?

I am an a white collar employer with several employees, including immigrants. If a company cannot do business with legal employees, then they need to go out of business.

[bayourod]

I've never heard of anyone "illegally" getting citizenship. Some war heroes are awarded it posthumously.

[exhaustedmomma]

:::garble:::zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[bayourod]

"If a company cannot do business with legal employees, then they need to go out of business. "

Or relocate overseas? Or outsource to overseas companies? What good does that do the American economy or their legal employees who would lose their jobs.

President Bush's guest worker program may keep U.S. companies from leaving, outsourcing or folding. It may allow new companies to start up, former U.S. companies to relocate back to the U.S. and companies to do work in-house that they are now outsourcing overseas.

Everyone of goodwill wins.

[XBob]

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