Posted on 12/17/2004 8:33:59 AM PST by jveritas
Many people see an amesty (or whatever name they wish to call it) for illegal aliens as a betrayal, just as his signing that McCain Feinman bill when he promised he wouldn't.
As I stated in an earlier thread, I think Bush has a complex plan that marries his guest worker program with social security reform. The guest worker program would pour money into the social security fund.
Before I get flamed, let me emphatically state that I am NOT a supporter of any type of amnesty for the illegals, I'm just pointing out what I think Bush sees as a source of funding to replace the money pulled out by U.S. citizens.
The Social Security system was originally set up with about 42 workers contributing for each person drawing from the fund. Currently, there are about 3.5 persons contributing for each withdrawal; in about 10 years, that number will drop to about 2:1. Bush's guest worker program would reverse that trend.
Think about it for a minute; The guest workers would all be relatively young, and would be contributing to the fund for many years. The money they put into the fund would support the baby-boomers that will be drawing from the system. By the time the guest workers become eligible to draw from the fund, most U.S. citizens will have converted their SS contributions to private accounts. The guest worker contributions would be the only money coming into the system. If and when the system runs out of money again, the guest workers would be left without any benefits; their problem, not ours. They'd lose, U.S. citizens would win.
Do you mean posts like this one?
WOW! The delusional Buchannaites were in full force last night! So many threads by these morons telling us those illegal immigrants are the roots of all evil. 30 posted on 12/17/2004 5:23:47 AM PST by jveritas
Do you honestly believe under the Totalization agreement just signed with Mexico, that giving illegal aliens full Social Security benefits after only 6 work credits, when US citizens must have 40, will help reform Social Security? The SSA can't keep track of US citizens and you think giving disability benefits to them when they return to Mexico will help? You have heard of that new agreement, haven't you?
Just another VANITY post for open border.
"Guest" worker programs are just one step above slavery.
The "guest" worker program should be called "captive" worker program, as the person is not allowed to change employers.
Thus; a guest worker has no vested interest in the United States.
a good article to bookmark:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/back801.html
It explains how and why farmers can and should do without illegal immigrants.
This was a repsonse to the delusional Buchananites who are spewing hate all over the place.
Ping.
So, you lump everyone who sees a problem with an illegal invasion into that characterization? Mighty broad brush, rather bigoted. Most of us voted for Bush. 85% plus disagree with his policies on illegal immigration. I remember a liberal client during the Clinton years, who defended him no matter what he did. I asked, "what could he do that would make you critisize him or his policies?" She answered "Nothing". I get the feeling you fall in the same category.
What is your solution for the millions of illegal immigrants in the US?
I didn't say I supported it, I just said this is what I think Bush is pursuing.
We could start with enforcing the laws currently on the books instead of advocating permission to break them. Second cut off all social benefits. Third, prosecute and execute( murder) illegals who break the law instead of cowtowing to Mexico because they don't like the death penalty. They prefer to send their lawbreakers to us.
And how this is going to take care of the millions of illegals who are already here?
Second cut off all social benefits.
Agreed. I mentioned this in my post.
Third, prosecute and execute( murder) illegals who break the law instead of cowtowing to Mexico because they don't like the death penalty.
Agreed. However among the 15 millions illegal immigrants how many are committing crimes? One million, two millions, how many? You still need to address the bigger issue on what to do with 15 million illegal immigrants in the US.
Another open border Bushbot looking to tell everyone else What's right and what's wrong.
Keep pissing into the wind, there dixie.
This thing is snowballing and Jorge Delano Bush is liable to get run over by the avalanche of resentment from the American Public on it.
He'd best pull his head out of his ass before he takes the RNC and their majority status over the side of a cliff with his Non-amnesty Amnesty BS.
The Majority of LEGAL residents of the US of A, Including recent legallized immigrants want the open borders CLOSED. Or atleast secured.
ONE Terrorist act that gets traced back across the Southern Border and there won't be a Republican Majority or President for 50 years!
The only thing in our favor right now is that the House Members have elections coming up in a short time and they NEED to be able to tell Americans that our Borders are Secure. Allowing Millions to cross every year and grant them some kind of legal status is not going to gain them any support. Expecially given the soon to be started public debate on SSI. Once the numbers come out on the amount of Money that gets dumped on the Illegals Shit will hit the fan.
I sure as hell won't support a Politician that is going to hand out bennies to Criminal Invaders with money I spent a live time paying into while at the same time telling ME I have to work longer and pay more for Less.
That sure as hell is in no way ANY part of the Republican Party Platform. When it becomes such your party Dies!
The question is what to do with the millions of illegal immigrants that are already here?! I think the Guest worker program is a good solution for this part of the illegal immigration problem.
Do you have another solution? Let us hear it.
If we cut off the welfare and enforce the employment/tax laws, most will leave on their own. No more anchor babies, a policy that has caused a real mess.
Of course, something has to happen within the judiciary. A judge yesterday dismissed a case against a coyote who transported a bunch of illegals and a dozen of them died crammed into a hot vehicle. The judge said, "he didn't profit from his crime". I guess we start letting bank robbers go if they didn't get away with the money????
How many out of the 15 millions illegal immigrant are totally depending on welfare?
How are you going to enforce the current employement/tax laws. HOW?
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