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Posted on 09/29/2003 7:09:06 AM PDT by DittoJed2
Do you consider yourself a prophet of your god?
Or are you a Christian? Bound by the same demands of humility, loving kindness, compassion, and peaceful witness Jesus placed on all who spoke in his name...
The choice is clear... You are prideful, arrogant, spiteful, angry, vindictive, petty, and rude. Jesus commanded the opposite of this. But you tell us you are above those instructions. I find that quite an indictment... but not of Christianity.
Did I say something that was untrue?
Most of what you say is either untrue, or unknowable.
Is atheism a form of god-hating?
I cannot hate, what I do not believe exists. This seems to make the veins in your forehead bulge.. but it is nevertheless so. My indifference to your God cause you all manner of discontent. But if your God exists, he is indifferent to my indifference. I suspect the same would not be true for the bitterness and spite you bring about in his name.
Sure would be nice to read a thread without your Christian Bashing...
"your bible"? hahaha. I find it amusing when an atheist tries to use the bible against a Christian. It's comical. You can't even understand the bible since it must be spiritually discerned so your reading of it carries no weight with me - it's a laugh. - read 1Cor. 2:14. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned."
Don't make me come down there.
IMO, it operates so as to exploit these processes.
Missing from your response is an admonishment for "exmarine" & others for essentially doing the same to others.
Or is tolerance for other/no belief systems a one-way street?
I can go on for hours about the brazen REVISIONISM (soft word for LIES) of our U.S. Christian history and heritage by you secular humanists. How many examples do you need? And you know, OWK, that atheists are moral relativists - that is their ONLY refuge, and I have debated moral relativism with a myriad of neodarwinists, atheists, anti-christian bigots, etc., on these threads for years, exposing it for the indefensible illogic that it is. In fact, you are not able to defend it adequately - you say that "Reason" is how we know right from wrong, as if Reason is an end and not a means to an end. Unknowable my eye! I can back it up in spades.
I've read the Bible.
What I *don't* understand is the numerous & repeated contradictions contained in it.
Revelations also seems to be a bit over-the-top, to put it mildly.
Missing from your response is an admonishment for "exmarine" & others for essentially doing the same to others.
I was specifically talking about RWP's behavior...you are certainly free to challenge exmarine yourself.
Which the prefix "a-" negates.-OWK
No, the "a-" negates "-the-" , which is deity.
Not at all. All of the atheists I know refer to themselves simply as atheists.-MineralMan
Well you finally met one online (me) that doesn't.
I think the distinction is important and explains part of the animus towards "atheists", which has already been noted to be in evidence at FR. Do you think those who dislike atheists are all hung up on what you privately believe? No, that would be nonsense. I think they resent those who act publicly in a way that denies the existence of G*d.
Example: the ACLU pleads innocent to the charge that they are opposing religion at all, they simply want to remove any acknowledgement of G*d from the state, where they say it does not belong. I think that is hogwash. Think what you may, but they are acting in a way that denies the existence of God.
Hahahaha. This is a laugh. The very act of your arguing with me about this topic PROVES that you are NOT indifferent. It's prima facie evidence! Busted! Please tell me, OWK, what is "bitterness" - where does it come from? Isn't it just a random chemical process in my brain? If not, what is it?
Your questioning of me "is there a right and wrong" suggested that you believed me to be a moral relativist. So I clarified my position.
What I stated was true.
An atheist has not God, therefore, no moral compass
Sweeping generalization. Many atheists may be moral relativists, but there are also atheists who believe in an objective morality. So your statement here is false.
therefore, no value of truth
Empirically falsifiable. Plus, it doesn't logically follow from your previous point.
and thus, feel no obligation to tell the truth or be honest
Again, talking to atheists will refute this as a blanket statement. Atheism does not equal amorality.
They are liars, obfuscators, revisionists
All of them? False as stated.
anti-Christian bigots
All of them? False as stated.
and they are the ENEMY of freedom.
Again, not ALL of them, any more than all Christians "are the ENEMY of freedom". Some atheists are evil, some are good. Some Christians are evil, some are good. There are atheists who have fought and died to defend this country and its freedoms. And you have the temerity to call them "enemies of freedom"?
Atheism fosters dictatorships.
So have religions. You may wish to study history. Totalitarianism long predates atheism as any sort of powerful social force.
Atheism is un-American.
By whose definition? YOURS? Who made you the arbiter?
They are moral relativists, accountable to no one but their own twisted machiavellian consciences.
Again, empirically untrue.
What sort of "theist" are you anyway?
I am a Jew.
I claimed indifference to the existence of God.
Not indifference to the existence of self-righteous doofi.
:^)
Precisely. It is the same insecurity which inspires some Christians to hate Jews. We reject what they hold as absolutely necessary. Some cannot handle having their faith called into question, even by the mere existence of those who disagree with them.
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