Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[PatrickHenry]

Two interesting links:

Is Evolution only a theory?. (Pretty basic stuff, but unknown to creationoids.)
The Creationist Holy War. (Good piece on ID.)

[Lurking Libertarian]

Good articles. Thanks for posting.

[f.Christian]

Something we all should consider is the founding fathers did not escape tyranny to perpetutae another ... we were founded upon God AND religious liberty and defending it is our obligation --- liberals have made God and right and wrong a thought crime and themselves ACLU whacks - our overlords - us slaves !

Watch those senate confirmation hearings and if you publicly state your beliefs and sincerity you are vetted - crucified ... there is supposed to be no religious - ideological special interest test or PLEDGE for office and now the supreme court has established them ... abortion - pornography - evolution - gun control - racial - sexual preferences especially !

[f.Christian]

JR ...

How about abortion? Or Guns? Or National Security? Or homsosexual marriage? Or homosexual perversion forced down your kids throats? Or God being ruled unconstitutional? Or subjection to environmentalists? Or subjection to the United Nations? Or constitutional amendment by the courts? Or wealth redistribution through taxation? Or tax increases rather than tax cuts. Or national defense, etc, etc, etc. If you don't see any differences between the two parties standing on these issues then you are totally clueless.

[f.Christian]

Guess who ...

Free Republic was never intended to be a liberal debating society. It has a purpose and goals. The long term goal is to promote the cause of conservatism and to work for a return to the constitutionally limited republican form of government as established by our founders. If these are not your goals then I don't want you here. I am defending my first amendment right to freedom of association. I only want to associate myself and FR with people who will work with me to achieve my goals.

[f.Christian]

A level playing field for evolutionazis is pushing God and all his believers in a hole made by liberals and the USSC !

[f.Christian]

guess who ?

Argue for constitutionally limited government all you want. That's what we're ALL doing here. But join in with the liberal/marxist/communist Democrats? Never! That's where I draw the line.

[f.Christian]

"Free Republic is a place for people to discuss our common goals regarding the restoration of our constitutionally limited republican form of government. If people have other agendas for FR, I really wish they would take them elsewhere."

[f.Christian]

"Sheesh, so not ALL of them are. Big deal. I guarantee you that ALL Democrats are precisely what they advertise themselves as being and even itemize on their party platform: abortionist/homosexualist/gun-grabbing/UN loving/America hating/corrupt/cowardly godless traitors."

[f.Christian]

To: Jim Robinson

There is no doubt that the Dims need to be taken down. You'll not get an argument from me.

My heartburn comes from so called Republicans in Dim clothing who pander to the electorate rather than lead.

Power corrupts, absolutely.

They haven't downsized the gummint one bit. They're a disappointment and they are in charge.


84 posted on 07/16/2003 10:04 PM PDT by Fred Mertz


To: Fred Mertz

Well, other than the fact that they are totally opposite on the issues of abortion "rights", homosexual "rights", family, God, gun-control, universal heathcare, strong national defense, national sovereignty, high taxes, (and usually spending), etc, there's probably not a whole lot of difference. I mean they're all men and women living on the planet Earth, are engaged in politics and they all (except Hillary) put their pants on one leg at a time. I guess you could say that makes them pretty similar.


also ...

Well, don't write them off. There's no way that I would settle for abortionist/homosexualist/gun-grabbing/UN loving, Godless Democrats running the government much less choosing the next several rounds of federal judiciary and Supreme Court picks.


89 posted on 07/16/2003 10:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

[Nebullis]

The quote is attributed to Harold Pinker not Stephen Pinker, but I’m sure it is the same guy.

It's actually Steven Pinker. But that's ok. His writing was misrepresented and his name was mistaken. Sometimes it helps to go to the original source!

[exmarine]

Universe is ordered: Scientific, false

Laughable statement since you could not function in this world if it wasn't. There is an ORDERED and rational subject-object relationship between you and the universe. To deny that is to live a hopeless insane dichotomy. The leaf on the tree is green and if it separates from the tree, it will fall to the ground 100% of the time. There are many constants and laws that apply universally, and these are only discoverable becuase they are rational and ordered. You can start quoting QM, but these don't apply to you - you function well in the subject-object relationship, and the laws of physics are reliable and measurable, regardless of what is going on at the quantum level.

Universe is rational, understandable: Unscientific

Is that so? According to your definition of science (which you are not able to divulge)? If the universe were not rational, then human beings would not be able to understand anything about it at all! Go to your dictionary and look up the word "rational." Humans beings use REASON to understand the universe and, quite obviously, reason has been used quite effectively to understand many things about the universe. That makes it rational. I don't know what you are trying to pull here, but your statements are wildly NON-RATIONAL.

Creator is rational, ordered: Unscientific because premise is unscientific.

Define "unscientific" or stop making arguments that use the term.

[Right Wing Professor]

The leaf on the tree is green and if it separates from the tree, it will fall to the ground 100% of the time.

Want to to come clean out my gutters?

[Right Wing Professor]

We've been through this. Stop repeating the same lame arguments. They've been debunked once.

[Aric2000]

Why do you argue semantics with scientists?

Do you ACTUALLY think you know more about science then they do?

Come on Exmarine, please, you need to figure out what is going on in your head.

I don't argue with an electronics engineer about what electronics is, I don't argue with a geneticist over what DNA is, why? Because they actually have the education to know what that is, where as I do not.

Are you a scientist? If you are not, then you shouldn't argue about what science is with a scientist. It makes you look silly, and ignorant.

You want to argue about what science is, then go get a science degree, I guarantee you will be a bit upset that your definition is WAY off.

Again, never argue science with a scientist, it makes you look foolish and the scientist thinks your a buffoon!!

[js1138]

The leaf on the tree is green and if it separates from the tree, it will fall to the ground 100% of the time. There are many constants and laws that apply universally, and these are only discoverable becuase they are rational and ordered. You can start quoting QM, but these don't apply to you - you function well in the subject-object relationship, and the laws of physics are reliable and measurable, regardless of what is going on at the quantum level.

So you agree with the central hypothesis of science, that the laws of nature, both discovered and yet to be discovered, are uniform over time?

[Alamo-Girl]

Very interesting! Thank you so much for the information! Hugs!!!

[PatrickHenry]

Enthusiastic symphony of creationoid postings, like explosive diarrhea, placemarker.

[Junior]

I have a four-way, side-by-side study Bible at home. Until we got it, I'd never realized the range of differences between various translations.

I'm with you in that I prefer the NIV. However, being Catholic I do a lot of my reading from the New Jerusalem Bible, as it has the apocrypha.

[f.Christian]

orphan needs to do a reality search placemaker !