Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[exmarine]

Try teaching your sectarian view of "creationism" to any of my children, and I will see in in federal court the day.

Hahaha. It is the darwinians that want to control education, not christians. It's darwinians that use the FORCE OF GOVT (as you just threatened!) to force religion (atheism) on kids. Christians just want to be left alone. If the vast majority of people in a school district want creationism taught alongside evolution, then it's their community and the govt. should butt out. Atheism destroyes freedom, Christianity enhances it. History proves that time and time again.

[exmarine]

Creation myths belong in your home and in your church. I am Christian, my parents are Christians, my grandparents were Christians, my great-grandparents were Christians, my . . . (you get the idea).

Define what it is to be a Christian. No Christian I have ever met denies that God created the universe.

You have no right to impose your sectarian view of Christianity on my children.

I have no wish to force anything, but I do have a right to express my opinion as I'm doing right now. It is atheistic darwinists who do all of the "forcing" in this country. Teach your children what you want to teach them - if you would bother to read this thread, you would see that I have been arguing for that all along - it is the atheists who want to control everything and erode freedom. It is the atheists who use the force of govt to FORCE darwinism down my throat. Be afraid of them pal. And get your facts straight.

[scripter]

Aeon is a very interesting word that is hard to define, but I would not define it as "universe."

It is an interesting word. I've seen it translated as:

1. universe
2. worlds
3. world
4. ages

Universe and worlds are used mostly, world is next and ages is used once in Darby's Literal Tranlation. The other verses listed say all things or world, which, at least to me, scream creation.

[george wythe]

If the vast majority of people in a school district want creationism taught alongside evolution

"Creationism" means different things to different Christians, therefore your 24-hour-creation-day Young Earth Creationism is a sectarian view, not biblical Christianity.

Just stating that your sectarian view is "orthodox" Christianity does not make it so.

Your 24-h YEC has been debunked many times by competent Christians, so I have little respect for a poster who keeps insisting that his 24-hr YEC is "orthodox" Christianity.

[CobaltBlue]

>>I just love ticking you evos off - its give me pleasure.<<

Do not feed the trolls.

[george wythe]

Define what it is to be a Christian.

Read the New Testament, not the perview of this thread.

No Christian I have ever met denies that God created the universe.

In your narrow universe, denying your sectarian 24-h YEC is the equivalent of denying the biblical creation account.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

I am curious where you get this idea. Outside of the Bible (or a book written using the Bible or about the Bible), would you please show documented records that Jesus truly existed?

Tacitus mentions Jesus as well. I don't remember which book, but I have it at home. I don't know the latin reference but in the english translation He was called, "Crestus", or something very close. Tacitus writes there were riots in Rome at the time of His Crucifixion.

I'm surprised this thread is still here.

[exmarine]

Thank you for your post about homeschooling. I wish there were more people like you.

[CobaltBlue]

>>all things or world, which, at least to me, scream creation<<

I realize that, but it's fallacious to define a word to suit your purposes.

To Greek speakers, aeons are units of time.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Oooops. Sorry. I didn't read far enough. My post #3407.

[exmarine]

In your narrow universe, denying your sectarian 24-h YEC is the equivalent of denying the biblical creation account.

You didn't answer my question. What is a Christian? I know what the NT says. You say you are a Christian but your statements are inconsistent with scripture (the authority for Christian theology). Do you or do you not believe that God created the heavens and the earth? Yes or no.

[RightWhale]

there were riots in Rome at the time of His Crucifixion

Glenn Kimball mentions that. He says that the dead were resurrected and walking around all over Rome, which was disruptive to peace and commerce, as one might imagine.

[js1138]

Try again ace.

No thanks. You are the only one beating this drum. It's a solo.

[exmarine]

"Creationism" means different things to different Christians, therefore your 24-hour-creation-day Young Earth Creationism is a sectarian view, not biblical Christianity.

The bible is the ONLY authority for creation for Christians. Name another. One can teach that God created without getting into the controversy - it's done all the time in Christian schools. 24 hour vs. 1000 years is an in-house debate and not a divisive one to me. If it is to you, that's your problem.

Just stating that your sectarian view is "orthodox" Christianity does not make it so.

No christian disputes that "God created the heavens and the earth" - there is nothing sectarian about it. Anyone who doesn't believe that is in the lunatic fringe of the house of heterodox. Would that be you?

[scripter]

I realize that, but it's fallacious to define a word to suit your purposes.

Of course it's fallacious to define a word to suit your own purposes. Of the 16 Bible translations I checked the word universe was used more than any other, then worlds. The Bible translations that define aeons as universe or worlds do not define words for the own purposes. The other references to all things align with this translation. That is, the Bible states God through Jesus (the Word) created everything, which directly supports Jesus's involvement with creation; which if I remember correctly was the issue here.

[Doctor Stochastic]

It doesn't matter what I say. You have already stated " But I reject your definition of science..".

Fortunately science isn't about you and your Post-Modern-Creationist solipsism. You may reject science all you wish. That's your privelege.

You still haven't explained why the microwave background has the observed distribution.

[js1138]

You don't need to 'define' an apple to distiguish with 100% reliability betwen an apple and an orange.

Then again, what is a man but a fatherless biped with broad, flat nails?

[js1138]

I suppose only one man was fatherless. The rest of us are featherless.

[atlaw]

exmarine, post 2808: "If 20 million parents did that, you all would have to surrender as you can't put 20 million people in jail. That day is coming when people will stand up and tell you to stuff your theory where the sun doesn't shine."

exmarine, post 2794: "If the majority of parents in any given community anwywhere want the curriculum changed, who are you to say they can't? It's their community."

exmarine, post 2742: "Most people want creationism taught in public schools. That's a fact."

exmarine, post 2823: "If people in some backwoods Manhattan (hehe) community want to teach Wicca, the govt has no right to stop them. The people rule in this country, not a group of 9 black-robed oligarchs."

exmarine, post 3401: "If the vast majority of people in a school district want creationism taught alongside evolution, then it's their community and the govt. should butt out."

And now for the punch line:

exmarine, post 2744: "Since when does a majority decide what truth is?"

exmarine, post 3384: "[S]ince when does majority opinion decide what truth is?"

[scripter]

Thank you for your post about homeschooling. I wish there were more people like you.

You're welcome. There are more people like me, many more, but many homeschoolers don't have the funds, the time or jobs that allow them to be online as much as others.