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'Intelligent design' theory threatens science classrooms
Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | 11/22/2002 | ALAN I. LESHNER

Posted on 06/22/2003 5:29:39 PM PDT by Aric2000

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To: Aric2000
Uh. You're post #800. Nice shot.
801 posted on 06/23/2003 7:49:31 PM PDT by Timmy
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To: Aric2000
And this from the guy who tells others to go find his sources, because he can't produce them.
802 posted on 06/23/2003 7:50:45 PM PDT by Timmy
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To: Timmy
Look, my friend, if Darwin was right, you should be able to prove it via the fossils, without these outlandish theories. Just show us the proof. Darwin said it would be everywhere.

Already answered you on that one, but you're determined to stay in the slow-learner class by not reading what has been posted already.

Now, almost all of the data you have been reviewing [But not you, Timmy! How many of the preceding links did you even click on?] were unknown in Darwin's day. For all the evidence that they did have, there were a lot of holes. Darwin et al. fearlessly predicted based upon the already-outlined tree of life that certain kinds of "intermediates" would be found. Precambrian life of any sort, legged whales, legged sirenians, ape-human intermediates, etc. Other intermediates, amphibian-bird mixes for instance, violate the presumed evolutionary scenario and are not predicted.

This prediction is a certain kind of inference. Creationists who believed that God on certain days created certain "kinds" scoffed then and denied that such an inference from the then-available data was valid at all. They began to mockingly ask for "the missing link," which is exactly how you, who bill yourself as a scientist, opened the discussion.

The history since then has filled in gap after gap in the areas where evolution says the intermediates have to have existed. The people who will not make certain inferences because God will burn them in Hell for so doing still will not make them. Nevertheless, the ground under their feet has shrunk to nothing compared to the situation in 1859.


803 posted on 06/23/2003 7:50:53 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Timmy
hehehehe
804 posted on 06/23/2003 7:52:10 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.conservababes.com)
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To: VadeRetro
"Count 'em! Three!"

look again, sparky

805 posted on 06/23/2003 7:54:06 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.conservababes.com)
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To: Timmy
Actually, Vade, old sport, you're zero for two, so I don't plan to waste my time.

So, you'll be back tomorrow dumb as a stump and trolling for suckers, no one today having succeeded in making you see what has been posted to you. Tomorrow, of course, you will still be wasting people's time by "demanding to see" the evidence.

BwaHaHaHa!!!

The Real Science in action!

806 posted on 06/23/2003 7:54:32 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Give it up, Vade. You know nothing. You simply link to articles and papers you don't understand. I have no respect for a debater who simply refers his opponent to others. You better slink off until you're ready to do your own talking.
807 posted on 06/23/2003 7:55:47 PM PDT by Timmy
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To: ALS
Now show me where I get answers on 704.
808 posted on 06/23/2003 7:56:19 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Timmy
That is my talking. Next dumb-dumbism?
809 posted on 06/23/2003 7:57:03 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: RadioAstronomer
Here is a nice site describing the scientific method and the difference between theory, hypothesis, and fact:

Hey, when evolutionists cannot contradict a statement they just give a link, hoping no one will read it. Anyone can give a link and claim it proves their point. There are billions of pages on the internet and you can always find at least one that will say what you want. This is a discussion, discuss my statement.

It is evolutionists which are always trying to re-define science. Without facts, science is garbage. Models are themselves garbage. By tweaking a model you can 'prove' whatever you like. That is not what science is about. Science is about knowledge, factual knowledge, not about models and fairy tales which is what evolutionists want to turn it into. It is about the speed of light is x and the force of gravity is y, about facts, not storytelling. That is why science has accomplished so much, because it builds upon the facts already discovered to gain new knowledge, build practical applications and solve problems.

810 posted on 06/23/2003 7:57:08 PM PDT by gore3000 (Intelligent people do not believe in evolution.)
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To: VadeRetro
Why would you say that a demand for evidence is a waste of time. Would it matter if all the evidence in the world where staring you in the face? I think a demand for evidence is vital if it is going to be academic. Don't you?
811 posted on 06/23/2003 7:57:24 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool
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To: VadeRetro
sure thang sparky

enjoy!

812 posted on 06/23/2003 7:58:01 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.conservababes.com)
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To: goodseedhomeschool
Why would you say that a demand for evidence is a waste of time.

Timmy's "demand" will be the same simple discourtesy tomorrow that it was today. He has no intent of paying the slightest attention to what is furnished. As I explained on that earlier thread to Darwin_is_passe:

Just a few posts, and we've already gone far enough to see how dumb your little dumbshow is. You issued a challenge for the production of transitional fossil evidence from the fossil record. This challenge is meant to fool the naive lurker into believing that something to be reasonably expected in that record is actually missing. In fact the fossil record is full of extinct life forms which outline branching progressions from the long ago few and simple to the extant many and varied.

Your dodge is not in the evidence, but in your simple refusal to draw any inference at all therefrom ...


813 posted on 06/23/2003 8:01:57 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Bittersweetmd
Finally the application of the scientific method by Bellflower!

I was beginning to forget what real critical thought looked like.

The strange fossils that are found consist of:
1. Mammoths with undigested food standing upright in ice.(wonder if they were stuck in a snow drift because a forty day blizzard trapped them).
2. Fish fossils that are in the process of eating, with a little fish still in it's fossilized mouth.(wonder if the mud slidding off the continent buried the poor guy trying to get a meal).
3. Fish fossils giving birth when they were buried.
4. 10 feet deep dead clam shell layers in the closed position. (Clam shells open when the clam dies, the muscle relaxes).
5. Petrified trees in the upright position crossing through multiple layers of rock.

For more information on these strange occurances try clicking here.

814 posted on 06/23/2003 8:02:32 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: ALS
The search function shows nothing on "faunal succession" or "geologic column." Reasonably sure none of the others would show either.
815 posted on 06/23/2003 8:03:30 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Sorry, I went back and checked. The only argument you ever personally made was the stupid dinosaur to bird thingy. Then you threw out links to others. You don't understand this subject. You simply believe, and therefore you send people to those who either convinced or impressed you. They do neither for me, or for many other thinking people.

Vade, we skim your sources because we have read them, or others like them, countless times. You think because we aren't convinced to come around to your simple idea, then we either won't read them or are simply too stupid to learn.

Sorry. I have a pretty good understanding of this stuff and won't waste my time trying to reason with a simpleton who puts out bird to dinosaur, or mutated plants or fruitflies, or the peppered moth hoax, or those who buy every Nebraska man that comes along. We ain't stupid. We just ain't buying.

816 posted on 06/23/2003 8:03:41 PM PDT by Timmy
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To: VadeRetro
Why would you infer that an extinct animal is a transitional form. Is that what you are saying. My grandmother is extinct, but I don't think she is a transitional form, she just died.
817 posted on 06/23/2003 8:04:15 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool
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To: bondserv
OMG! DR. Dino??

Hmmmm... You may want to do a bit of research on Kent Hovind before using him as a reference.

818 posted on 06/23/2003 8:06:01 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Timmy
Give it up, Vade. You know nothing. You simply link to articles and papers you don't understand. I have no respect for a debater who simply refers his opponent to others. You better slink off until you're ready to do your own talking.

Oh, well done! You have now superbly demonstrated both your astounding ignorance and your intolerance of correcting it. That's good to know for our future reference - Darwin Central will be informed. Oh, and, congratulations on joining ALS on the Idiots Crusade.

Feel free to wallow in your pitifully inadequate self-image as the final arbiter of what is and isn't current evolutionary theory (at least to yourself, that is). Revel in it for all to see and entertain us with your further puerile assertions!

819 posted on 06/23/2003 8:06:35 PM PDT by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: goodseedhomeschool
I would consider a transitional form to be a creature that shows a combination of 2 seperate creatures somehow merging into a new one. I really have never seen such a creature. I would expect that if it were true, we would be digging em up every day by the millions. I have yet to see even one, even one that would classify.
820 posted on 06/23/2003 8:07:55 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool
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