Notre Dame priest: Creationism debate unique to U.S.

The Bozeman Daily Chronicle ^ | 2003-05-11 | Walt Williams

[PatrickHenry]

Hey, has the sh!t-for-brains jerk actually left? Let's see if he answers to the call...

This was addressed to me. I haven't left. I answer the call.

[Agamemnon]

An "I guess I'm just an idiot" placemarker (why, oh why cannot I not just ignore the apparent contradictions and believe there are none despite the evidence?).

Because you are mistakenly confusing what is merely the bias inherent with your premise with what is evidence.

Call yourself an "idiot" as you will. That is your choice. I think of you more as willfully intellectually lazy, not an "idiot" per se. That said self-delusion is an idiotic basis for a position.

You continue to entertain what you term "Apparent contradictions," because for you they are self-affirming -- they don't have to be correct as observations go, but they are convenient if not essential in your mind to support your unsupportable premise.

The evidence stands: there is no contradiction. Your mistaken premise is -- and for the sake of your personal definintion must be: contradiction, at all costs and against all logic and accomplished study.

Your problem is that you have failed to prove it here, and no one with any scholarly acheivement has either -- the most anti-biblical scholars gave up such vain attempts long ago. You are the hold out not because you have seen something that has eluded even the most learned albeit skeptical critic. No, you merely insist that it be so because your ego insists it must be so and needs it to be so.

You are enamoured of your premise inspite of the evidence. Because you are so wedded to the notion, you'll do everything in your mind to dismiss evidence, because it doesn't doesn't fit your premise. This is the major failing of the evolutionist. Empirically speaking: incorrect premise - non-supportive evidence = bad "science."

You want "apparent contradictions" to be true so badly, you will ignore and must ignore all evidence to the contrary in order to salvage your precious, self-defining premise.

That, however is not science.

Good science concerns itself with evidence and adjusts it's premises accordingly.

As you insist on remaining willfully ignorant of the evidence, sadly you also continue to remain what is commonly known as "wise" in your own conceit.

[balrog666]

This was addressed to me. I haven't left. I answer the call.

Oops, I refuse to address a post the actual jerk under any circumstances and I didn't think that would be a problem. I should have added a "placemarker" or "/rhetorical" to the post. Sorry!

[PatrickHenry]

Quite all right. I get called worse every day.

[Doctor Stochastic]

And if the Gospel of Christ proves to be true, it will at that time be too late for those who have disregarded it to change their minds, or their destiny

How does this threat differ from that of other religions? How does one choose between Transgressive Sacrality and your threats?

[Jorge]

"And if the Gospel of Christ proves to be true, it will at that time be too late for those who have disregarded it to change their minds, or their destiny"

How does this threat differ from that of other religions? How does one choose between Transgressive Sacrality and your threats?

Would you consider those who direct you toward the ONLY life boats available to escape a sinking ship to be "threatening" you?

Once again. The Gospel message in the Bible is either the truth or it is a lie.

If it is truth, then the words are merciful....far from being "threats".

And of course anything less than warning people of the dire consequences of unbelief would be unconscionable for a God of mercy.

[Doctor Stochastic]

All of you are claiming that you have the only lifeboats.

[Jorge]

All of you are claiming that you have the only lifeboats.

Right. And your challenge is to figure out who is telling the truth.

[RadioAstronomer]

Right. And your challenge is to figure out who is telling the truth.

Prove to me that you "life boat" has any more validity than Norse Mythology, Mithraism, etc.

[Jorge]

Prove to me that you "life boat" has any more validity than Norse Mythology, Mithraism, etc.

Proof begins with whether or not you believe Jesus Christ Who claimed to be the ONLY WAY to God and salvation...was a liar and a maniac...or if He was telling the truth.

I was an atheist for many years..until once day I looked at the words of Jesus and recognized what He said was from God....that He was not deceitful madman.

It's a simple question of one or the other...and making a simple decision.

To those who accept and recognize Who Jesus is...no proof is needed. To those who reject Him, no proof will ever be enough.

[Dimensio]

Proof begins with whether or not you believe Jesus Christ Who claimed to be the ONLY WAY to God and salvation...was a liar and a maniac...or if He was telling the truth.

Ooh, the tired old false trichotomy of "liar, lord or lunatic". It's really fun when you deal with someone who just cannot get it through their head that there aren't just three choices. It leaves out "misquoted" and "mistaken".

[Dimensio]

I was an atheist for many years..until once day I looked at the words of Jesus and recognized what He said was from God....that He was not deceitful madman.

Did you look at the words of other religious leaders and conclude that they were either liars or lunatics, or did you only seek an answer from one source. Also, if you were an atheist, how did you readily recognize Christ's words as those of a specific God?

Remember, atheists lack belief in all gods, not just the one that you claim to worship. How did you, an atheist, manage to rule out all god possibilities other than the Christian one?

[Aric2000]

Liar lord or lunatic placemarker

[GOP_Thug_Mom]

Call Keating a heretic making an excuse, but the same could be said of your interpretation.
I'm glad Christ came to establish His Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will put my faith in the translations derived at by His Church, since you and I could debate this all day, and then go debate with someone else with their own individual interpretation. Perhaps this is why there are over 30,000 denominations today??? :(

[RaceBannon]

no, there are so many denominations because people wont believe what it clearly says. It says 6 literal days. That is repeated several times in other books like Exodus.

We do not have different denominations over whether David captured 20,000 horsemen or 2000.

We have different denominations because the Bible says we are saved by grace, through faith, and that the local church is the head of authority over the local assembly of believers, and some choose to say a certain city is head and that works are necessary along with Grace.

Different denominations exist over error, not interpretations of difficult passages, but over the plain, clear passages. Those that are obviously not believing what it clearly plainly says are in error.

[stuartcr]

It seems, by what you said, that until that proof is available to all, it should be taken as a belief vice the truth or a lie, therefore. It seems that this would make all beliefs equally valid/invalid.....or just that, individual beliefs.

[stuartcr]

I don't believe there is a need for lifeboats.

[PatrickHenry]

Hi, RA. PLACEMARKER

[Aric2000]

Plain old placemarker for me.

You are getting fancy, that's very artistic, I'll have to see about doing some of that HTML stuff too.

Looks like fun, and adds some nice details to the thread.

[PatrickHenry]

You are getting fancy ...

Just trying to keep up with LBB, who is now going multi-colored on us. As is his sidekick.

You will note that the sequence of colors in my placemarker matches the rainbow spectrum, more or less, from violet to red. Hey, I needed *some* kind of guide to follow.