Posted on 04/07/2003 9:26:14 AM PDT by Jael
Kinsey and his child raping prison perverts were???
Did each and every "ex-member" of NAMBLA die? No? So these predators are still hunting kids.
You are really stepping over a line if you will defend pedophiles.
Please think on this before doing it again. You really have the talking points down and can "parse" with the best in the world. Don't take this step.
OK let’s do an experiment. You write NAMBLA for info and let us know if or what you get in response. I’ll respect your integrity to report on their return or non-return.
Deal?
Define "reasonable".
Look. I'm bored with this whole argument and repeatedly making you look silly.
Here: Myths About Male Sexual Abuse:
Myth #2 - Most sexual abuse of boys is perpetrated by homosexual males.Pedophiles who molest boys are not expressing a homosexual orientation any more than pedophiles who molest girls are practicing heterosexual behaviors. While many child molesters have gender and/or age preferences, of those who seek out boys, the vast majority are not homosexual. They are pedophiles.
I'm sure you'll disagree in favor of your "scientific" political action committees, but I will point out that the source is an organization who's sole purpose in life is to actually deal with victims of abuse. (As opposed to scoring political points against homosexuals, the victims be damned.)
And I'll also point out that this same source is linked to by The Leadership Council (debunkers of the infamous Rind Report), the Support for Survivors of Sibling Abuse, M.A.L.E (Men Assisting Leading Educating, a nonprofit organization dedicated to healing male survivors of sexual abuse.), SIECUS (Sexuality Information & Education Council of the United States), U.S. National Library of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health and the U.S. Navy, among many, many others.
Or, am I to suppose this is some "vast (left)-wing conspiracy" to make homosexuals look good or maybe even to make sexual-abuse victims feel good about themselves? Or can you explain how your (I'm sure you'll admit) biased sources are more accurate than victim organizations?
Typical Catholic enabling. I blame the catholic laity for the scandal as much as the bishops. It's the catholic laity that continues to support the organization responsible for all of this.
"It's OK if our priests do little boys...there are non-catholics who do it too!"
"Sure there are sick people in ALL religions....But ROMAN CATHOLICISM is the only major religious organization that has systematically protected and enable the molestors and intentionally exposed more innocent children to them.
That is a flat out lie, but since this is in the SB, I guess it doesn't matter. But you have no idea what you are talking about, and your reply to this will be duly ignored.
LOL!
You tell me in your REPLY TO ME that you are going to ignore my post???
I reference a higher authority.
“And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.”
Jesus Christ
I like how your “peer reviewed” haha source glosses over the tiny little distinction of age preference, lumping in all ages of pedophilia is where the homosexuals activists like to muddy the waters. There are two definite distinctions of pedophilia that can be separated by age and exclusivity. What your definition is not saying is that only 7% of pedophiles exclusively offend and their age of preference is 8 and under, an age objectively devoid of any capacity for consent, these are the stereotypical and most heinous of the bunch.
It’s at ages 9-10 and up to 12-13, depending if you’re the AMA or the APA, (including but not limited to a 5 year age difference to the age of 16) where non-exclusive offending homosexuals pray, an age where capacity for consent is “possible.” The pre-pubescent, pubescent and post-pubescent boy is the desired age range for homosexual pedophilia; Josh I’m willing to bet you or madg or both consensually lost your virginity with an older boy/man on or around this time period in your life…am I right?
It’s this age range where homosexual activism and APA have purposely ignored the distinction. It’s this age range where the term pederasty is falsely used instead of pedophilia. It’s this age range where 86 percent of male pedophiles who offend boys described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. (Baldwin 1988)
“the vast majority are not homosexual. They are pedophiles. “
Given the age distinction and the Baldwin Study this statement is a lie.
Not only is the latter part of your statement unprovable, the former is just plain baloney.
I had predicted to friends of mine as far back as 1993 pedophiles were going to be the next group of people to make the push for spec...I'm sorry, civil rights. I knew it the second I had heard about the presence of NAMBLA (ooh...mentioned yet again ) at the March, 1993 "Gay Rights" Rally in Washington DC.
And as the article referenced in post #33 demonstrates, I am being proved right.
As to "those anti-gay fear-mongers that paint the entirety of the gay community with their overbroad NAMBLA brushes," that has to be a pretty lame attempt to whitewash the truth. In post #75, I offer direct quotes from known leaders in the "gay rights" movement coming out and condoning pedophilia. The "anti-gay fear-mongers" (read: homophobic (sic) bigots) don't have to paint anything. The homosexual community are doing it themselves, via the words of their spokespeople and the silence when the want of criticism from said community surfaces.
And by the way: Those quotes? You'll never guess where I found them.
Would you believe the NAMBLA website, which Clint N. Suhks actually provided a link to earlier in this thread?
My bugaboo is your albatross.
Good luck in removing it.
I like how your “peer reviewed” haha source glosses over the tiny little distinction of age preference, lumping in all ages of pedophilia is where the homosexuals activists like to muddy the waters.
I don't see any age-distinctions or references to age-preferences here.
The pre-pubescent, pubescent and post-pubescent boy
Well, that certainly narrows it down to sometime between birth and voting.
I'm going to assume you mean the distinction between "pedophilia" and "ephebophilia". Correct me if I'm wrong.
And making that distinction seems to be a problem for your sources:
Focus on the FamilyEarly stories about this heartbreaking problem tended to describe it vaguely as “child abuse” or “pedophilia,” which is a sexual attraction to pre-adolescent children. In a few stories, it was referred to, more exotically, as something called “ephebophilia,” that is, sex with post-adolescent children. There seemed to be a collective reluctance to call this plainly what it is—a homosexual scandal. All the perpetrators are men, and nearly all the victims are boys. By definition, male on male sex is homosexual sex.
Family Research Council (Note the extensive use of the words "pedophile", "child", and "children", the distinct lack of the word "ephebophile", the lack of age-distinctions and preference references in the cited data, the inclusion of 18 and 19 year-olds in one cite, etc. and so on, and so on)
Family Research Institute (Note the extensive use of the words "pedophile", "child", and "children", the distinct lack of the word "ephebophile", the lack of age-distinctions and preference references in the cited data, the inclusion of 18 and 19 year-olds in one cite, etc. and so on, and so on)
Traditional Values Coalition (Note the extensive use of the words "pedophile", "child", and "children", the distinct lack of the word "ephebophile", and so on)
So, this distinction that you want to make certainly seems to be one of convenience -- not a single source of yours makes it.
Do you want to agree that it's a non-issue, or do you still want to debate the lack of "definite distinctions of pedophilia that can be separated by age and exclusivity"?
To what does "Baldwin 1988" refer, and does he make said distinction?
That is not even the issue here.
Children should not be sexually abused or exploited in any way.
Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
Because that's the issue.
Clint N. Suhks, I think.
Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
Agree, of course. That's why it bothers me so much that certain people and groups would rather hijack numbers and words in order to demonize a group than make any real efforts towards preventing child-abuse.
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