Posted on 01/11/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by DWar
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They have no business encouraging homosexuality, or forcing its acceptance upon students or faculty. The schools should teach the kids to behave like civilized people, that every individual should be treated with respect. Instead, they choose to indoctrinate them in leftist ideology. The entire school should be a safe zone for everyone. The whole idea of special protection for any one group is unAmerican.
4 posted on 01/26/2003 3:07 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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They have no business encouraging homosexuality (( evolutuion // atheism )) **, or forcing its acceptance upon students or faculty. The schools should teach the kids to behave (( think )) ** like civilized people, that every individual should be treated with respect. Instead, they choose to indoctrinate them in (( hard core )) ** leftist ideology (PC // BIAS )) ** . The entire school should be a safe zone (( NO brainwashing )) ** for everyone. The whole idea (( tyranny )) ** of special protection (( MONOPOLY )) ** for any one group (( privelegdes )) ** is . . . unAmerican - - - (( forced RELIGION establishment // vetting // witch hunts // elites )) ** .
.. .. .. ** my additions !
It was therefore for their own interests that the bourgeoisie were in duty bound to undermine the “divinity” right of rulers. Natural science became a weapon in the opposition to belief and tradition; science and the newly discovered natural laws were put forward; it was with these weapons that the bourgeoisie fought. If the new discoveries could prove that what the priests were teaching was false, the “divine” authority of these priests would crumble and the “divine rights” enjoyed by the feudal class would be destroyed. Of course the feudal class was not conquered by this only, as material power can only be overthrown by material power, but mental weapons become material tools. It is for this reason that the bourgeoisie relied so much upon material science.
Darwinism came at the desired time; Darwin’ s theory that man is the descendant of a lower animal destroyed the entire foundation of Christian dogma. It is for this reason that as soon as Darwinism made its appearance, the bourgeoisie grasped it with great zeal.
This was not the case in England. Here we again see how important the class struggle was for the spreading of Darwin’ s theory. In England the bourgeoisie had already ruled a few centuries, and as a mass they had no interest to attack or destroy religion. It is for this reason that although this theory was widely read in England, it did not stir anybody; it merely remained a scientific theory without great practical importance. Darwin himself considered it as such, and for fear that his theory might shock the religious prejudices prevailing, he purposely avoided applying it immediately to men. It was only after numerous postponements and after others had done it before him, that he decided to make this step. In a letter to Haeckel he deplored the fact that his theory must hit upon so many prejudices and so much indifference that he did not expect to live long enough to see it break through these obstacles.
But in Germany things were entirely different, and Haeckel correctly answered Darwin that in Germany the Darwinian theory met with an enthusiastic reception. It so happened that when Darwin’ s theory made its appearance, the bourgeoisie was preparing to carry on a new attack on absolutism and junkerism. The liberal bourgeoisie was headed by the intellectuals. Ernest Haeckel, a great scientist, and of still greater daring, immediately drew in his book, “Natural Creation,” most daring conclusions against religion. So, while Darwinism met with the most enthusiastic reception by the progressive bourgeoisie, it was also bitterly opposed by the reactionists.
The same struggle also took place in other European countries. Everywhere the progressive liberal bourgeoisie had to struggle against reactionary powers. These reactionists possessed, or were trying to obtain through religious followers, the power coveted. Under these circumstances, even the scientific discussions were carried on with the zeal and passion of a class struggle. The writings that appeared pro and con on Darwin have therefore the character of social polemics, despite the fact that they bear the names of scientific authors. Litany of Haeckel’ s popular writings, when looked at from a scientific standpoint, are very superficial, while the arguments and remonstrances of his opponents show unbelievable foolishness that can only be met in the arguments used against Marx.
If so, my response is that they also should draw a distinction between a European capitalist and a biblically literate North American Christian capitalist.
The United States was founded because a group of biblically literate Christians fled the oppression of a Traditional Church with a system that kept the masses biblically illiterate.
By the way Jesus was clearly a rebel against the Traditions of the Jewish religion of the 1st century. He continually reinforced the necessity for people to know Him personally rather than any mediating Church or Religion, thereby stripping establishment power.
Our founding fathers understood this teaching intimately. Capitalism with personal accountability, which necessitates a common moral compass. These standards were thread throughout the genesis of our country. Beware of any theory or idea that blurs those standards, for it will decay our country as it did Rome.
Very few bourgeoisie this side of the Atlantic, just hard working people with a strong Christian work ethic!
If so, my response is that they also should draw a distinction between a European capitalist and a biblically literate North American Christian capitalist.
If you keep this up much longer, you're going to be talking only to yourself on this thread. And maybe everywhere else.
The point of my two links was to illustrate - from the mouth of the Marxists themselves - how they have used Darwin's theory to justify themselves.
As you know, communism (which is the practice of Marxism) is at the root of the slaughter of many.
The first link illustrates how materialist dialectic is the theoretical foundation of Marxism.
We've had some pretty nice chats in the last few weeks, but I hate to see you in g3k's camp on this. Bad people can find justification in any theology or ideology. All it takes is the will and the means to force others to conform. The 20th century excelled in both the will and the means. I don't think a lesser body count makes theological tyranny any more appetizing.
The above links and the statements (including that communism is the practice of Marxism) are from the Marxist website. The observation that many have died because of communism is my own.
It is true that ideology has been at the root of slaughter over the history of mankind. This website has the best collection of data on the subject known to me.
Gore3000's statements are largely substantiated by the Marxists themselves. My function on this forum for years has been to research claims (usually by the press, but also by other Freepers) --- and provide sources. I let the chips fall where they may and arrive at my own conclusions independently.
The problem isn't with the words of Jesus. The problem has always been with the wretched profession of priestcraft -- those who presume to act in His behalf. Sometimes they get it wrong. And when religion is united with government, they almost always get it wrong -- to the everlasting detriment of the rest of us.
Indeed, a lot of people were killed under the doctrine of convert or die. That doctrine was not supported by the Word of God, and I doubt many of the soldiers would have carried it out had they known what the Bible really said.
The convert or die doctrine has been adopted by Islamic extremists. But I don't know whether the Koran justifies it.
The link I gave at 1089 puts all deaths by ideology in perspective.
And isn't that the subject of the neverending thread? Personally I have no problem with Darwinism being taught as a theory with unsettled issues, nor do I object to ID being mentioned, provided it comes up with some lines of research. I'll hold my breath.
Don't. You'll turn blue.
The only perspective I was bringing to the table was the Marxists' official view of Darwinism, the influence that it had on the spread of communism. Their testimony (particularly from the early 1900's) should carry more weight than my conjecture.
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