Posted on 11/22/2002 7:33:34 PM PST by FormerLurker
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Also, I noticed that most of the footnotes in that link you provided to the other study were all more than 8 years old. As a matter of fact, the newest source cited is from a 1994 article from "Health Natural", and most of those sources are from the 70's and 80's.
They are made by the top medical authorities in our nation based on the latest medical research.
![]() These are strong, deliberate statements. They are made by the top medical authorities in our nation based on the latest medical research. Their voices are not alone, look at a partial list of dentists & medical doctors, Environmental Protection Agency Scientists and even a number of State Dental Directors are critical of the benefits.
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"I am appalled at the prospect of using water as a vehicle for drugs. Fluoride is a corrosive poison that will produce serious effects on a long range basis. Any attempt to use water this way is deplorable." Dr. Charles Gordon Heyd, Past President of the American Medical Association. |
"fluoridation ... it is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated and it has been perpetrated on more people than any other fraud has. " Professor Albert Schatz, Ph.D. (Microbiology), Co-Discoverer of streptomycin |
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Fluoride is naturally occurring in most water supplies in this country, it always has. As a matter of fact, in many areas the concentration is many times the recommended level.
Fluoride is a toxin, so ANY amount is too much. Those areas that DO have naturally occuring fluoride in their water supply DO also have children with statistically significant lower IQ and develop skeletal fluorsis.
EFFECT OF HIGH-FLUORIDE WATER ON INTELLIGENCE IN CHILDREN
Effect of a High Fluoride Water Supply on Children's Intelligence
ALL the ethical ones are...
Also, I noticed that most of the footnotes in that link you provided to the other study were all more than 8 years old. As a matter of fact, the newest source cited is from a 1994 article from "Health Natural", and most of those sources are from the 70's and 80's. Many of that list of quotes are from the 60's.
Do you care to link that which you mention, or am I supposed to guess?
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It goes beyond that. We are being told that a highly toxic, reactive poison is actually GOOD for us. That's like saying eating lead paint is GOOD for you, and you should sprikle lead paint chips and dust into your food...
First off, WHICH study, as there's several. Is it this one?
Fluoride in drinking water increases the risk of hip fractures in women
Out of the 99% US sources.
First off, cite the particular study that you are referring to.
There may be some valid research mixed in, but if you're trying to sell us something, which you are, you'd do better not to mix in crackpot sources and flawed studies (that Finnish study is flawed at worst, and highly inconclusive with a need for followup and replication at best) and try to pass the whole kit-and-kaboodle as legitimate science that is conclusive.
You STILL haven't answered my question as to WHO exactly in post #43 that you are referring to as "crackpots".
Might it be the Journal of the American Medical Association, could it be the United States Public Health Service, maybe Dr. Ludgwig Grosse, Chief of Cancer Research, U.S. Veterans Administration, or could it be Research Microbiologist, U.S. Army, Dr. B. J. Gallo, Environmental Chemist, J. Kupperschmidt Apollo Program Project Scientist, Dr. N.R. Mancuso, U.S. Army Natick Research Labs, A. Murray, Molecular Biologist, Dr. Strauss?
Maybe it's Dr. Charles Gordon Heyd, Past President of the American Medical Association, or Dr. Professor Albert Schatz, (Microbiology), co-discoverer of Streptomycin, the cure for tuberculosis and numerous other bacterial infections?
Might it be Dr. Charles Gordon Heyd, Past President of the American Medical Association, or Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, Children's Hospital, Boston?
Could it be Dr. William Marcus, Senior Toxicologist at E.P.A?
Or maybe it's the Centers for Disease Control, or perhaps Harold Slavkin, Director of National Institute of Dental Research?
WHO exactly do you think is wrong?
There may be some valid research mixed in, but if you're trying to sell us something, which you are, you'd do better not to mix in crackpot sources and flawed studies (that Finnish study is flawed at worst, and highly inconclusive with a need for followup and replication at best) and try to pass the whole kit-and-kaboodle as legitimate science that is conclusive.
I have no idea what the heck you are talking about. The reference that you acknowledged that you were talking about is in fact an AMERICAN study. Are you confused?
Fluoride in drinking water increases the risk of hip fractures in women, according to an October 1999 American Journal of Epidemiology study.
Thirdly, you have an agenda, and you are feeding us sources from websites that also have an agenda, who, like everyone else with an agenda, selectively pick and choose those sources and studies which support that agenda, without giving us any access to sources that do not support that agenda, and you expect everyone to just accept it without question?
No, YOU have an agenda. It is squashing the truth. My agenda, if you can call it that, is stopping that which harms the American people. Why do you find fault with that?
You have given NO facts, you ignore the FACTS, and it is YOU that has an agenda. And I might add, an agenda that is HOSTILE to the American People.
This is Free Republic for crying out loud. It's like you're asking us to accept the Village Voice as an unbiased, objective news source with no political agenda, interested in giving us only the facts.
You are either delirious, misinformed, or you HAVE an agenda.
I asked you these and other valid and reasonable questions about this study before you asked me anything, and you still refuse to answer and dodge the questions by asking me more questions. I asked you my questions first, and I won't answer any more of yours until you answer mine.
Namedropping will get you nowhere with me, I think I made that clear to you earlier. If the very first study I clicked on is full of unanswered questions, questions that you dodge and then start accusing me of being hostile to the American people because I'm asking them, then I'm going to take my perfect, cavity-free teeth and my healthy joints and bones, all exposed to a lifetime of flouride and move on...until you can answer my questions, and hold up better under tough but fair questioning without flying off the handle.
It might be helpful if you would provide a link to the original study, showing the actual correlation rate (between -1.00 and +1.00, and I know what a low positive correlation looks like as opposed to a significant positive correlation rate) and showing how all those variables I mentioned were controlled.
It would also be helpful to me if you could show me some research cited by the pro-flouride people as well. If you're so sure of your agenda, you won't mind citing your critics.
It would be helpful to you to throw out all references to those Chinese studies altogether, unless the same studies have been replicated in the United States.
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