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Government Raid Victims of the "War on Drugs"
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Posted on 09/03/2002 7:41:56 AM PDT by JediGirl

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To: clamper1797
"I sent a reply saying that I never said he was for legalisation, but knew that he was against the tactics currently being used in the WOD then asked if he wanted cessation of all drug-related posts."

"And a question: What is the dope scene? Could someone describe to me the alcohol scene? Or the tobacco scene? Or is it varied? Am I missing something?"

"And does it seem to be a tad hypocritical to say that FreeRepublic is working to roll back decades of gov't largesse, but then Jim goes on to say not to post about the WOD?"

"His response to my reply:"

"I... do not want---to use FR for glorifying pot or legalizing drugs." Jim

281 posted on 09/05/2002 5:55:37 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: ClancyJ
They will try hard drugs too - so therefore it is a "gateway" chemical.

If you really want to discuss the "gateway" theory, you will be nailed to death by facts and statistic. Try selling that to some of the guys on Freerepublic who really collect those. Don't force me to ping them.

Afterall you don't want to know wich part alcohol plays in the "gateway" theory, do you?
282 posted on 09/05/2002 6:13:48 AM PDT by SkyRat
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To: ClancyJ
My posts indicate that as soon as they cross the line and actually do any of the things you cite they should be punished harshly and made an example of ... and that goes for all of the various substances.

Until that time, until they commit the crime, whether in their car, to their children, to others, stealing, whatever it may be ... yes, ignore them.

Otherwise you create laws based on what they might do, and you go after people who are really committing no crime soley based on what others perceive it might lead to. That is the more dangerous path because that philosophy later can be used to go after almost any group of people that the majority disapprove of, or even more dangerously, that those in power (like the Clintons) choose to go after.

Anyhow, that is my feeling regarding the issue and I would apply it to any substance except those that by their very nature immediately debilitate and render an individual sesneless or not in control of their faculties ... if it takes abuse of the substance to get there ... let it alone until the individual actually does so.

283 posted on 09/05/2002 6:17:24 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: SkyRat
Alcohol and cigarettes kills more people than crack, coke and heroin - combined!

Out and out lie. Or skewed counting. Of course there are many more people that use alcohol and cigarettes and a far smaller number that have been pulled into the drug culture.

Yet - when you add up all the drug killings, the death and abuse to others by those stoned out of their minds or working with a damaged mind, when you add in all the effects of the drug on the quality of work in every aspect of American life and the results - you would understand that idiots seeking entertainment will bring this wonderful country down year after year.

Of course, honestly looking at what the drug culture has done to America is not on your agenda. You are in denial and selfishly claiming your right to be a drug addict sucking the lifeblood from the country and pulling all your fellow Americans with you.

Don't expect me to also be a fool and believe your lame excuses or think you are hurting no one but yourself - or you are still equipped with the brain and the abilities you had when you started on your tour of the drug culture. Look at the potential for the future of those taking drugs - it is not the same as the potential when they started their pursuit of the wonders of chemical thrills.

There are some mighty fine salesmen in the drug trade and look at the results of their efforts on American life. We now have every corporation trying to protect itself from ruin with alcohol and drug programs and every citizen pays for it. We now have a WOD with millions upon millions spent to try and control the onslaught on innocent Americans and the future generation.

We have every job in the country affected by drug induced mistakes, corruption, irresponsibility and abuse. The quality output of every drug controlled employee in this country affects every single American as they merely visit doctors, hospitals, run errands, use transportation, shop.

Yet - this is of no concern to you because you see - you have no responsibility to others because you take drugs and you have the right to destroy anything or anybody in your personal gratification. You are no longer the master of your life - a chemical tells you what to do. Or will be telling you what to do should you still not be addicted yet.

Such an absolute waste of potential.

284 posted on 09/05/2002 8:14:24 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: Bill D. Berger
Mind your own business

Suggest you do the same. Apparently you feel your right for drugs justifies your minding my business. It does not. I am not partaking of a chemical that you have to pay for in every aspect of American life.

I am not putting you at risk as you enter a hospital with the quality of my decisions as I treat you. I am not the impaired person providing your transportation. I am not the drug impaired person making decisions in positions of government and power in America.

I am merely a stupid fool who has not fallen prey to a drug dealer. I am merely the worker ant that has to pay what I earn to control the damage of those like you. How could I possibly live my life without trying the wonders of the chemical in my body? How deprived I must feel.

285 posted on 09/05/2002 8:24:47 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: SkyRat
You know - your lame statement that alcohol is a drug so to outlaw drugs you have to outlaw alcohol is really ridiculous.

I believe there are many drugs in our society in every medicine we take. Does that mean insulin is outlawed, does that mean chemotherapy is outlawed? Get real and find better arguments.

This one does not justify taking an addictive destroying drug in the pursuit of a temporary pleasure(?). How is pleasure received from something that controls and destroys a life? Beats me. Looks like a death wish to me.

Another affect of drugs on you - you spend your time justifying drug use. You boost the points of your co-addicts. Such a worthwhile pursuit.

286 posted on 09/05/2002 8:30:59 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: ClancyJ
You know - your lame statement that alcohol is a drug so to outlaw drugs you have to outlaw alcohol is really ridiculous.

I'm not for outlawing drugs. Alcohol has been outlawed and the prohibition was not very succesfull.

The point remains, alcohol is a drug. Or in your words, it's a chemical known to be addictive. Yet you take it. No harm done. I don't want to see you in prision for using it. But you on the other hand, would throw everyone in jail for the same.

This one does not justify taking an addictive destroying drug in the pursuit of a temporary pleasure(?).

Do you drink alcohol?

How is pleasure received from something that controls and destroys a life?

Do you drink alcohol?

Beats me. Looks like a death wish to me.

Then don't drink alcohol

Another affect of drugs on you - you spend your time justifying drug use.

Is alcohol a drug?

Is alcohol a chemical known to be addictive?

You boost the points of your co-addicts.

Everyone who does drugs is automatically an addict? Only if everyone who drinks alcohol is addicted. Is this the case? I don't think so. Why do you think that alcohol or pot are different in that case?

Such a worthwhile pursuit.

Thank you.

Remeber what you wrote to me

If you can't see the difference in people that consume drinks at a level consistent with their ability to handle them, and those that take chemicals known to be addictive thinking that - in their case - it will not be addictive, you must already be addicted - your thinking is clouded.

Alcohol is a chemical known to be addictive, right? Please answer that question, if you don't answer the others. Is alcohol a chemical known to be addictive, yes or no?

I'm gonna answer for you, yes it is.

Is everyone drinking alcohol addicted? No, only some. Because many, your words, drink at a level consitent with their ability. Absolutly right.

So there are a lot who can do that. Why do you think they can only do that with alcohol and not pot?
287 posted on 09/05/2002 9:08:51 AM PDT by SkyRat
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To: Illbay
...I guess we ought to ALL become criminals....

Have you seen the amount of laws that are out there? We ARE all criminals.

288 posted on 09/05/2002 9:16:21 AM PDT by ksen
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To: SkyRat
You know - your lame statement that alcohol is a drug so to outlaw drugs you have to outlaw alcohol is really ridiculous.

I'm not for outlawing drugs. Alcohol has been outlawed and the prohibition was not very succesfull.

Why is it ridiculous?

If you want to outlaw a substance, you need a reason for it. If this reason apllies to other substances as well, shouldnt they also be outlawed?
289 posted on 09/05/2002 9:30:45 AM PDT by SkyRat
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To: Bill D. Berger
But.. but..

Nevermind
292 posted on 09/05/2002 10:47:14 AM PDT by SkyRat
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To: SkyRat
Told you I was not talking about pot. I'm talking about crack, cocaine, heroin, and all the other designer drugs designed totally for the purpose of dollars and addiction and a thrill.

A money makin' machine for those so unconcerned about others that they will gladly sell them down the river of addiction.

You still try and defuse the point with alcohol. Alcohol is only addictive to those who are not able to handle it as it triggers an addiction in them that takes over their life.

Any taking alcohol must check how it affects them. Should there be danger signals, they should take enough control of their bodies to stop abiding.

The same is not true of crack - it is immediately addicting.

Again those who will smoke pot are the most likely to move on to the hard drugs because they have already seen the need to flaunt wisdom for their personal thrill seeking goal or to appease their peers and appear "in". The same drive will lead them into the trap.

Your attempt to defuse this with the alcohol question is just that - a cover. It doesn't work because there are many medical drugs also for ailments. However, you enjoy paying for the drug addicts of this world to be able to weaken our whole society, you resent any effort to control their behavior that affects all others in society. You probably enjoy paying for the agencies to come in and care for their children, to cart them off to jail after a shootout or overdose, to develop services to pick up where they fail in their responsibilities.

Yet all the time you will be the one railing against a government that comes in and attempts to take care of people left in the lurch or harmed by these irresponsible, thrill-seeking, peer impressing goons.

See - already you don't think. You just enjoy a drug.

294 posted on 09/05/2002 12:03:14 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: Bill D. Berger
That's right, can't use all that fancy new armor and weaponry on innocent people.
298 posted on 09/05/2002 12:29:27 PM PDT by ksen
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