Posted on 02/25/2013 9:25:42 PM PST by Seizethecarp
Maybe do a couple FOIA requests:
1) Mal’s travels/whereabouts (from 1958 to 1962 would be of interest).
2) Val’s travels/whereabouts during the same time frame.
See if there are any overlaps and lengths of overlaps.
See how much redaction gets done.
See #801; a FOIA request’s results would be interesting.
Also the case of a birth on foreign soil with one foreign parent and one American parent could apply to both prospective sets of parents for 0.
Same questions about 0’s type of citizenship come up if Mal and Val were his parents as if SADO and 0 SR were.
Thanks for the feedback and for your impressions!
I, and other, FReepers have combed through Malcolm X’s extremely well documented FBI file (he was extensively tailed) looking for possible 1960 intersections with BOTH Stanley Ann and Valerie (London). No sign of Stanley Ann or any white woman or any woman other than his wife who complained about his lack of sexual interest beyond extensive procreation (of girls, BTW). Again, X was mostly homosexual having been a toy-boy for a white man. This makes the Stanley Ann or Valerie connection even more problematic combines with his evidence hatred for whites.
Seizethecarp,
Many thanks for that info, has somebody put it on the net like they did the results of the FOIA request for Lolo?
Also, the ww2 saying comes to mind :
“When you’re drawing flak, you’re over the target”
The analogy here is that the flak is the scrubbing of Hawaii, Kenya ,Indonesia, Washington state, and the various schools, etc.
The target /objective is the eligibility question.
“This makes the Stanley Ann or Valerie connection even more problematic combines with his evidence hatred for whites.”
While I agree with your conclusion of the FBI file search I have to say that I’ve known a number of blacks that hated whites yet married white women.
Actually, it was you, LucyT, who put up Marable Manning’s new bio of Malcolm X on FR revealing the fact that it was based on FBI and CIA files, and you, yourself quoted that Malcolm X omitted his homosexual “boy-toy” relationship with a white (Jewish?) “businessman.” But curiously, LucyT, you ask at the end you your post” “So... 0bama, who’s your father?” It seems illogical to conclude that Malcolm X that Marable Manning’s bio strengthens the case for X being Barry’s dad when it has just come out (to the shock and horror of blacks) that X was not just a homosexual prostitute for money, but a long-time homosexual who had no sexual interest in his wife according to her revealed complaints on the subject of his lack of interest.
Again, if anything, this leads away from Malcolm X fathering Barry with any woman outside of his sham, obligatory Muslim marriage.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2698577/posts
NYT: “Malcolm X himself contributed to many of the fictions (in the “Autobiography”), Mr. Marable argues, by exaggerating, glossing over or omitting important incidents in his life. - These episodes include a criminal career far more modest than he claimed, an early homosexual relationship with a white businessman...”
Read more at # 18 , then # 5 and # 6 .
[Thanks for the pings. - So... 0bama, who’s your father?]
19 posted on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:10:55 AM by LucyT (We lived in the best place, in the best of times, in all of Human History.)
Were these blacks that you knew “rock-star” universally recognized hate-preachers surrounded by armed body guards and wildly enthusiastic black NIO admirers and tailed by the FBI and CIA who report any out-of-marriage activity...like they did with MLK who actually liked white women?
Were these blacks that you knew married to white women long-time practicing homosexuals, as Malcolm X was? Note that X as married to a black woman.
Of course not! Black celebrities and other minority men often have “killer” trophy white wives to show race domination and superiority, much to the distress of ignored black women. Does Stanley Ann Dunham look like much of a “killer” trophy girl-friend/wife prospect to you considering what Malcolm X could bed it he wanted to? Having spent 10 years in Plano TX recently with the cream of the crop (Dallas football white wives of black players), I would say no!
High profile blacks? Yes. But what does that really have to do with it. Those high profile blacks tend to pick up their trophy wives long before they are popular, as do most blacks that hate whites. I know one such black married to a white woman that has such venom toward whites that he calls for a bloody revolution to kill them all. He isn’t alone. I know antoher that refuses to let his two teen-aged daughters date white guys but they are half white since their mother is. I could go on and on about racists blacks, Hawaiians, Indians, etc. that are married to white women.
Good post, and v interesting POV. One conjecture really stood out: that even Obama’s handlers were amazed at how well the ‘if you dare question anything about this ‘black’ man you’re a racist’ attack worked. I hadn’t thought of it that way, but I would bet a large sum you are right. I think they imagined so much smoke (re: a foreign birth, coupled w the lack of standard-issue, non-tampered w documentation) would raise far more questions than it did. The ‘you’re a racist’ retort worked like a magical talisman; no official, politician, judge, etc. would touch the subject for fear of destroying their career. I bet Soros laughs himself to sleep to this day over it. I still hope/believe we’ll get the last laugh.
Like you, I am fascinated by the ‘memoir’ ref. to the BC. It’s a relatively short book on the subject of growing up black & white/race relations in the US. What does BO’s BC have to do w any of that? Maybe it’s in there just to let everyone know that Obama knows the truth? Malignant Narcissists are like that. They live to pull one over on the rest of us*, BUT they like to signal the scam to those in the know. The BC incident may be Obama’s way of informing his handlers that he has proof of the truth, and they better treat him right. [I.e.: the real horror in any Malignant Narcissist’s life is the possiblity of being indebted to anyone. He wants/needs to be in total control at all times. So just in case those who advanced Obama’s career got the idea he owed them, he offered a not-so-subtle threat that he could prove foreign birth—and would do so if they tried to make too much of a puppet out of him. He’d still end up an international celebrity w plenty of $ who could choom to his heart’s content on his private HI beach, but his handlers would be out of a POTUS & a monumental financial investment. (Obama would get quite a giggle out of that, believe me. No wonder he signed himself lifetime SS protection; what does he know [about his need for it] that we don’t know?) Just an idea; who can really say for sure.]
You made a comment that caused me quite a bit of thought:
“If the Mal/Val story turns out to be correct in the end, I’ll gladly congratulate those who ferreted out the correct solution and even apologize for being so obtuse.”
I second that sentiment, w one caveat. I will always, always wonder how Obama came by such a strong Dunham physical resemblance, if he turns out to be unrelated to the Dunhams. If it’s a coincidence, it’s a pretty amazing one. Otherwise, how would anybody explain the dead ringer resemblance between a younger Stanley Armour & his grandson? The more one studies that pair, the more physical similarities emerge. How did this come about sans a genetic connection? It would be one of life’s great mysteries, if it turned out to be the case.
Thanks again for your post. You made a slew of excellent points, which were greatly appreciated.
* Here’s the reason Malignant Narcissists get such a charge out of tricking/scamming everyone around them. An indispensible component of the MN’s self-narrative is that he is the smartest person in any room he enters. The facts do not support this delusion, so the MN constantly sets up scenarios that, in his eyes, do prove it. One of the easiest and and most gratifying is to fool everyone into believing something that’s not true. If the MN can pull this off, it enables him to sit back and inwardly despise all those gullible people he so easily scammed, while patting himself on the back for his own brilliance/genius. Malignant Narcissism is a profoundly sick and twisted Personality Disorder, and this need to trick/scam everyone around him is but one aspect of it.
The entire NOI religion is based not only on hating whites but on racial segregation! NOI men did not marry or affiliate with white women, and, again, Malcolm X was not into women for sex, according to the Manning bio.
I think you and I have the same general theory. Kenya-born with Dunham parentage. I think he looks like Grandpa Dunham too. I'm guess Obama Sr. is the father. The only time I see any resemblance to FMD is in that baby photo of Obama laying down. Kind of has his mug in that photo. Who knows?
I'm guessing that story about finding his birth certificate is probably somewhat accurate. His mother sits him down and has a grown up talk with him. She disabuses him of his fantasy of a African Prince having a love affair with his mother. She explains the short, not so romantic, nature of their relationship. When and where he was really born and the circumstances surrounding it.
By this time though, he's accumlated a lot of different paper work from different places which allows him to be
Barry Dunham - American Citizen
Barack Obama - British/Kenyan Citizen
Barry Soetoro - Indonesian Citizen
He gets to decided which identity he should use at any given time. He's got paper work for all scenarios without even trying.
Need to ba an American - no problem
Need to be a foreign student - no problem
Need to be an affirmative action student - no problem
Imagine an admissions officer from Occidental is reading his book. The admissions officer thinks that Obama was a foreign student and has Indonesian citizenship. A Harvard admissions officer is reading his book this officer is under the impression that he was born in Hawaii.
Now he's got a problem since what's he's told people depends on what he wanted at the time.
I think the murkiness covers both the reality of learning about "bastards/bigamy/ and not very legal shotgun weddings/and foreign births" and it also relieves him of any undo stress from someone like an old admissions officer from asking too many questions about old paper work in their possesion after reading his book. Each admissions officer would think they had the correct answer and "were in the know."
Vagueness is good for him and it serves a very purposeful purpose.
Your old post:
"As for Obama, I have come to the firm conclusion that his autobiographical blurb, on file and updated for 13 yrs w his literary agency, is the key to the entire conundrum. He could not and did not lie about his country of origin in 1980. Back then the truth was still accessible, and the ever-ignorant Obama didn’t know enough to hide it. He told the agency he was born in Kenya because he was, and they could independently check that fact easily enough. It wasn’t until much later that the records were scrubbed or sealed to the full extent possible and the truth obscured. Fortunately copies of the Dystel & Goderich bio came to light, and the truth was preserved for all to see.."
I agree that bio is very important. What I noticed is that the article in the New York Times is dated February 6, 1990. The publisher's bio is from 1991.
First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html
The Harvard Law Review, generally considered the most prestigious in the country, elected the first black president in its 104-year history today. The job is considered the highest student position at Harvard Law School.
The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago's South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii..
Now that "Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii" sure seems abrupt and out of place to me, like it was tacked on later. The internet is like that, things can change, unlike hard, printed copies of old newspapers. The story even has a "Correction Appended" for a different reason (see article).
Assuming the article is the way it was written then and not changed nefariously, the New York Times and Harvard would think he was born in Hawaii.
Now the weird part:
..The article that reportedly attracted literary agent Jane Dystel included “born in Hawaii.”..
The Internet Archive does not list a crawl of this article prior to 2009, but a scanned PDF of the article stored at ProQuest certainly reads “born in Hawaii.”
So the New York Times article which helped net Obama a literary agent printed Hawaii as his birthplace. Obama was undoubtedly the source of this information. He was also undoubtedly aware of the “born in Kenya” bio.
Accordingly, Dystel either:
Missed this information, and later relied on false information supplied by Obama;
Convinced Obama to use Kenya instead of Hawaii for marketing purposes;
or
Arrived at the decision to use Kenya with Obama’s input.
If Obama had been using a false Kenyan birthplace for affirmative action reasons, he likely would not have been using this information when applying to Harvard Law School. A New York Times article stating a Hawaiian birthplace contradicting his application would certainly have ruffled feathers in the admissions office; Obama should have been wise enough not to tell such a fib to the Times reporter.
I read a comment at HOTAIR and the poster said they looked up old microfiche of the NYT and he said the "born in Hawaii" sentence was there but it is the internets...and all. Maybe a hard copy would say differently? Or Obama told Harvard he was born in Hawaii.
Thanks for that post! You cited info I haven’t seen before. I need to think about this for a while...which works out well since I’m flat out of posting time for today anyway.
I’ll just leave you w this thought. Michelle Obama worked w Bernandine Dorhn in the same law office starting in ‘89. So if BO didn’t meet Bill Ayers during his time at Columbia [as he may well have done; it’s not known for certain] he almost certainly met him in ‘89. The ‘born in HI narrative appears to have taken center stage shortly thereafter. Is there a connection?
See FR thread on Corsi’s WND report on Bill Ayers’ dad’s mailman and his eye-witness link of Barry to Bill’s parents...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2861250/posts
“I believe Sven maybe be telling the truth ...”
One must be convinced of the truth before three become believers.
“He has knowledge that he can’t do anything with but only hopes someone somewhere will.”
I’ve been pro-active. Posting messages on the background of Obama is doing something. Freepers are entitled to know the truth even if the truth is unpleasant. For some oddball reason, Freepers are convinced evidence must be obtained, certified and authenicated prior to trial before the truth can be posted.
In a civil suit, allegations are made in a complaint and a summons is issued to the defendant(s). If the defendant(s) file an answer to the complaint denying all allegations, then the discovery process begins. In Obama’s case, a responsive pleading is made which requests the case be dismissed before discovery begins. The discovery process is way to legally obtain records protected by the Privacy Act, i.e. immigration records, social security records, etc.
Any evidence obtained, legally or illegally, is ignored by the Court until the trial begins. Again, for some oddball reason, Freepers are convinced evidence of Obama’s naturalization or illegal immigrant status will force a Judge to overrule Obama’s responsive pleading, i.e. motion to dismiss. It’s not true. Allegations in the complaint are considered to be true until there is a trial and the defendant successfully defends his denial of the allegations.
If the complaint survives a motion to dismiss, the discovery process begins. Records of Obama’s birth (if any), immigration (if any), SSN (if any), etc., can be legally obtained and presented. Records illegally obtained are ignored by the Court. For some oddball reason, one or two Freepers believe illegally obtained records are ignored by the Court because the Judge is in on the conspiracy.
If the defendant does not answer the complaint to deny the allegations, then the Court can only rule the allegations have merit and a hearing on damages will begin. This is where the plaintiff must prove harm has come to them due to the negligent actions of the defendant. For some oddball reason, many Freeper accept the fact Obama was elected and elections cannot be undone. Unfortunately, it ignores the fact the plaintiffs have made allegations against Obama and those allegations have been improperly ignored. Plaintiffs have the right to a hearing to determine damages, if any.
Which brings us to the false narrative the De Facto Officer Doctrine makes Obama legal. Not true. The De Facto Officer Doctrine indemnifies the governing authority from lawsuits and maintains the law, rules, regulations and appointments made by the usurper. The De Facto Officer doctrine protects the government, not the usurper. The usurper must vacate the office and be held to account for their actions to obtain the office ilegally. Obama, Nancy Pelosi and many others could be criminally charged with election fraud in all “57 states.”
If you have info, just go to a library, make a new account and leak it on this page..
I have info and I’ve been posting it for years. Obama naturalized as a U.S citizen in 1983. It doesn’t matter where he was born. Federal documents supercede state or foreign documents.
The U.S. Federal government issued Obama a Certificate of Naturalization in 1983. Case closed. He’s not eligible to be President or Vice President.
If you want a prove it, get past a motion to dismiss and subpoena is immigration records. Without a subpoena, his private records are inadmissible. You don’t need evidence to make allegations in a civil suit and you don’t need certified, authenicated documents to get a motion to dismiss to be overruled. Allegations made in a complaint are considered to be true until the defendant successfully presents a defense by a preponderance of the evidence.
Instead of demanding members of the public reseach and obtain Obama’s records, Orly should be researching how to get past a motion to dismiss.
Thanks for the link. It will take me a while to get to it, as I’m at a very busy juncture right now. I’ll try to glean the highlights as time permits.
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“when it has just come out (to the shock and horror of blacks) that Malcolm X was not just a homosexual prostitute for money, but a long-time homosexual.”
Thanks, Carp. Note that was written about a year ago. A lot of water under the bridge since then.
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All,
Begin reading at # 893 , don’t miss # 894 , then read to end of *thread*.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2278969/posts?page=893#893
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