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How the Worst President Ever Ended Up on a Controverisal New Coin (James Buchanan)
AOL News ^ | 8-19-2010 | Alex Eichler

Posted on 08/21/2010 7:17:45 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

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To: MikefromOhio
get the moderators involved.

Looks as if you've already taken care of that.

This continual garbage about the Civil War does NOTHING to advance conservatism which is what I THOUGHT this place was all about.

Then go away, boy.

261 posted on 08/23/2010 3:20:47 PM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: cowboyway
Read High Tide at Gettysburg for a detailed account of the behavior that Lee expected from his troops when they were on foreign soil and compare that to your stinking yankee heros actions.

Read "Gettysburg" by Stephen Sears, "Gettysburg: A Testing of Courage" by Noah Andre Trudeau and "Retreat from Gettysbug: Lee, Logistics, and the Pennsylvania Campaign" by Kent Masterson Brown for detailed accounts of what Lee's troops really behaved like. With Lee's blind eye if not full support.

262 posted on 08/23/2010 3:21:51 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: cowboyway
Then go away, boy.

Make me. Go on. Make me.
263 posted on 08/23/2010 3:23:03 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (There is no truth to the rumor that Ted Kennedy was buried at sea.....)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Just the mirror image of your being able to state what he would not do if he had been in Sherman's place.

For all pratical purposes he was in Sherman's place when he went into Pennsylvania, you dolt, and the only people that he waged war on were you stinking yankees!!

264 posted on 08/23/2010 3:23:33 PM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe)
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To: cowboyway; Colonel Kangaroo
I think you've got issues....

There you go
265 posted on 08/23/2010 3:25:34 PM PDT by mstar
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To: Non-Sequitur; cowboyway
Read "Gettysburg" by Stephen Sears, "Gettysburg: A Testing of Courage" by Noah Andre Trudeau and "Retreat from Gettysbug: Lee, Logistics, and the Pennsylvania Campaign" by Kent Masterson Brown for detailed accounts of what Lee's troops really behaved like. With Lee's blind eye if not full support.

I'm going to check those books out. You have to wonder what mayhem Lee's hordes would have committed had Lincoln and Meade abandoned Pennsylvania to the rebs like the glorious defenders of Dixie did to South Carolina. If you're going to presume to call yourself an independent nation, you do not march away from a large enemy force invading your heartland. I think people upset about SC need to blame Jeff and Hood instead of Sherman.

266 posted on 08/23/2010 3:28:16 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: cowboyway

Lee in PA wasn’t in Sherman’s place. Meade didn’t let Lee disperse his army for a long campaign of widespread destruction.


267 posted on 08/23/2010 3:30:17 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: mstar
It's a given that many of us have some issues or we wouldn't be spending so much time about this. :)

But it's a diversion from more immediate and unpleasant happenings.

268 posted on 08/23/2010 3:32:39 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; mstar
The murder and rape was greatly exaggerated. Where in Sherman's orders is there a sanction for murder?

Actually there is one famous Sherman order for murder. General Sherman to U.S. Brigadier General Louis Douglass Watkins at Calhoun, Georgia, on Oct. 29, 1864:

Can you not send over to Fairmount and Adairsville, burn 10 or 12 houses of known secessionists, kill a few at random and let them know it will be repeated every time a train is fired upon from Resaca to Kingston.

Trains were legitimate targets of war.

Well, somebody in Sherman's army tolerated rape. From William Gilmore Simms:

We have been told of successful outrages of this unmentionable character being practiced on women dwelling in the suburbs. Many are understood to have taken place in remote country settlements, and two cases are described where young negresses were brutally forced by the wretches and afterwards murdered -- one of them being thrust, when half dead, head down, into a mud puddle, and there held until she was suffocated. ... Regiments, in successive relays, subjected scores of these poor women [rb: black women in this case] to the torture of their embraces ...

269 posted on 08/23/2010 3:33:12 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: cowboyway
For all pratical purposes he was in Sherman's place when he went into Pennsylvania, you dolt, and the only people that he waged war on were you stinking yankees!!

"Our men did very bad in MD and Penn...The robed(sic) every house about such battlefield not only of eatables but of everything they could lay their hands on. They tore up dresses to bits and broke all the furniture..." - North Carolina soldier.

"The wrath of southern vengeance will be wreaked upon the Pennsylvanians & all property belonging to the abolition horde that we cross..." - Virginia soldier.

270 posted on 08/23/2010 3:34:20 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rustbucket
That's all very nice, but it does nothing to change or rebut what I said. The reason why any reasonable person would take the time and pain to do their due diligence would be to ensure that what they were doing was right (including legal). The leaders of the south did no such thing.

What you provided was davis's "FU" to the union on his way out of town. He isn't saying, "Let's try to find a way to work out things equitably", he's saying, "Via condios putas"

"For a great many years the South had been fighting against unconstitutional Northern state laws that blocked the return of fugitive slaves. How much longer should they have put up with the North on this issue?"

As long as it took. That is, if they were to act honorably.

"The North had just passed a tariff law that greatly increased the transfer of wealth from the South to the North. The South had been fighting tariff battles for years, and they were about to take one on the chin."

Unlike the circumstances of the Revolutionary War days, all the states in the Union had representation, the states that comprised the southern region included. And those southern states also had considerable influence. Had they not been so pig-headed they would have used that influence to their advantage.

271 posted on 08/23/2010 3:36:28 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rustbucket
Can you not send over to Fairmount and Adairsville, burn 10 or 12 houses of known secessionists, kill a few at random and let them know it will be repeated every time a train is fired upon from Resaca to Kingston.

I bet that put a damper on the train snipers.

272 posted on 08/23/2010 3:40:49 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
‘And they had that power’

Obviously they did not. Perhaps you meant that they had a legal right to do so, which seems not to be totally without dispute. If they had the power they would have won.

The 10th Amendment speaks of powers remaining with the states or the people. And the statements clarifying what the Constitution meant voted for by Hamilton and Jay in the New York ratification said, "... every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will ..." It was in that sense that the South had the power. But you knew that.

273 posted on 08/23/2010 3:44:53 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The murder and rape was greatly exaggerated. Where in Sherman's orders is there a sanction for murder?

Don't you remember, a white planter family's testimony was not valid, and besides they deserved it.

Here's a refresher for you;

"guess the bottom line here is that Sherman's visit to Columbia SC was no atrocity, unless you were a planter class white secessionist." mac_truck

"Sherman's goal in his own words (see memoirs) was to destroy the planter class of the south" mstar

"An admirable goal. I'm glad he succeeded as well as he did. As individuals, I'm sure many had admirable qualities, but as a political class, the plantation drones were pure evil, greedy for power, politically mendacious and full of contempt for their fellow Southerners of both races." Colonel Kangaroo


We could always go count the period tombstones, if the graves had not been robbed and defiled by Uncle Billy's gentlemen.
274 posted on 08/23/2010 3:45:14 PM PDT by mstar
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To: rustbucket
That he did. Also, former poster nolu chan provided a great number of historical documents, and I miss 4CJ who seems to have disappeared. Heck, I even miss Wlat -- he was the reason I signed up so that I could counter his posts.

Yes, it must suck having had the opportunity to toss it around with those guys and now be stuck with a POS like pokie...;-)

275 posted on 08/23/2010 3:46:06 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
It's a given that many of us have some issues or we wouldn't be spending so much time about this. :) But it's a diversion from more immediate and unpleasant happenings.

Isn't that the truth :) Anytime not fretting over Barry and Big MO is time well spent.
276 posted on 08/23/2010 3:50:52 PM PDT by mstar
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To: mstar
Isn't that the truth :) Anytime not fretting over Barry and Big MO is time well spent.

Keep the faith. Things will be looking up after November.

277 posted on 08/23/2010 3:52:39 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Keep the faith. Things will be looking up after November.

Thanks sweetheart, I sure hope so.
278 posted on 08/23/2010 3:57:34 PM PDT by mstar
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To: Non-Sequitur
he also beat you like a rented mule. That's what pisses you off the most
?
"A rented mule", as usual NS, you are one class act
279 posted on 08/23/2010 4:03:05 PM PDT by mstar
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To: MikefromOhio
why don’t you get the Mods involved instead of just playing this stupid game?

I bring to your attention that we (me, myself and I) got involved.

We moved this thread to the smokey backroom which means y'all (guess where I hail from) may proceed to rip each others guts clean out.

Enjoy!

280 posted on 08/23/2010 4:52:35 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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