Posted on 08/21/2010 7:17:45 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
Looks as if you've already taken care of that.
This continual garbage about the Civil War does NOTHING to advance conservatism which is what I THOUGHT this place was all about.
Then go away, boy.
Read "Gettysburg" by Stephen Sears, "Gettysburg: A Testing of Courage" by Noah Andre Trudeau and "Retreat from Gettysbug: Lee, Logistics, and the Pennsylvania Campaign" by Kent Masterson Brown for detailed accounts of what Lee's troops really behaved like. With Lee's blind eye if not full support.
For all pratical purposes he was in Sherman's place when he went into Pennsylvania, you dolt, and the only people that he waged war on were you stinking yankees!!
I'm going to check those books out. You have to wonder what mayhem Lee's hordes would have committed had Lincoln and Meade abandoned Pennsylvania to the rebs like the glorious defenders of Dixie did to South Carolina. If you're going to presume to call yourself an independent nation, you do not march away from a large enemy force invading your heartland. I think people upset about SC need to blame Jeff and Hood instead of Sherman.
Lee in PA wasn’t in Sherman’s place. Meade didn’t let Lee disperse his army for a long campaign of widespread destruction.
But it's a diversion from more immediate and unpleasant happenings.
Actually there is one famous Sherman order for murder. General Sherman to U.S. Brigadier General Louis Douglass Watkins at Calhoun, Georgia, on Oct. 29, 1864:
Can you not send over to Fairmount and Adairsville, burn 10 or 12 houses of known secessionists, kill a few at random and let them know it will be repeated every time a train is fired upon from Resaca to Kingston.
Trains were legitimate targets of war.
Well, somebody in Sherman's army tolerated rape. From William Gilmore Simms:
We have been told of successful outrages of this unmentionable character being practiced on women dwelling in the suburbs. Many are understood to have taken place in remote country settlements, and two cases are described where young negresses were brutally forced by the wretches and afterwards murdered -- one of them being thrust, when half dead, head down, into a mud puddle, and there held until she was suffocated. ... Regiments, in successive relays, subjected scores of these poor women [rb: black women in this case] to the torture of their embraces ...
"Our men did very bad in MD and Penn...The robed(sic) every house about such battlefield not only of eatables but of everything they could lay their hands on. They tore up dresses to bits and broke all the furniture..." - North Carolina soldier.
"The wrath of southern vengeance will be wreaked upon the Pennsylvanians & all property belonging to the abolition horde that we cross..." - Virginia soldier.
What you provided was davis's "FU" to the union on his way out of town. He isn't saying, "Let's try to find a way to work out things equitably", he's saying, "Via condios putas"
"For a great many years the South had been fighting against unconstitutional Northern state laws that blocked the return of fugitive slaves. How much longer should they have put up with the North on this issue?"
As long as it took. That is, if they were to act honorably.
"The North had just passed a tariff law that greatly increased the transfer of wealth from the South to the North. The South had been fighting tariff battles for years, and they were about to take one on the chin."
Unlike the circumstances of the Revolutionary War days, all the states in the Union had representation, the states that comprised the southern region included. And those southern states also had considerable influence. Had they not been so pig-headed they would have used that influence to their advantage.
I bet that put a damper on the train snipers.
Obviously they did not. Perhaps you meant that they had a legal right to do so, which seems not to be totally without dispute. If they had the power they would have won.
The 10th Amendment speaks of powers remaining with the states or the people. And the statements clarifying what the Constitution meant voted for by Hamilton and Jay in the New York ratification said, "... every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will ..." It was in that sense that the South had the power. But you knew that.
Yes, it must suck having had the opportunity to toss it around with those guys and now be stuck with a POS like pokie...;-)
Keep the faith. Things will be looking up after November.
I bring to your attention that we (me, myself and I) got involved.
We moved this thread to the smokey backroom which means y'all (guess where I hail from) may proceed to rip each others guts clean out.
Enjoy!
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