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Posted on 08/21/2010 7:17:45 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
At least the South went down fighting!
http://comminfo.rutgers.edu/~dalbello/FLVA/activists/48contribs.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=OWoK7d3ncXkC&pg=PA50&lpg=PA50&dq=48ers+german+workers+party&source=bl&ots=9T7jbC5l-4&sig=8A2Vo3acPPQA7nJ-s7H2pUrfH0E&hl=en&ei=83xyTMmcCJO8sAPKzYmgCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=48ers%20german%20workers%20party&f=false
Most loyal Americans from SC fought as members of other southern state's Union regiments. Mostly because they were forced to flee their homes or risk getting strung up for their Old Flag beliefs before the war even started.
There was also a regiment of former South Carolina slaves who fought for the Union. The 1st South Carolina Volunteer Infantry was formed at Hilton Head in 1863 and saw some action in SC and Florida around Jacksonville. It eventually became the 33rd Regiment US Colored Troops and was disbanded in 1866. They were commanded by Colonel Thomas Wentworth Higginson an abolitionist from Massachusetts.
Thanks. So I guess every southern state, including SC, had at least one regiment in the Union Army. Glad to be corrected.
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To hear my great-uncle tell it, his father's father was the greatest war hero on the Confederate side. By the time I knew my great-uncle, he was in his late 80s and some of his accounts of his father and grandfather didn't seem very reliable--I haven't been able to verify them (apart from his grandfather having been a Confederate soldier--heard that also from my great-aunt).
Liberal leanings. You got em, boy.
The above is quite possibly the stupidest thing ever posted on the internet.
Congratulations, yankee boy.
As one Southern newspaper put it:
These passages in the inaugural are susceptible of a construction just the opposite of peace. … he would be compelled to send upon us obnoxious strangers enough to make mince pies of the southern people and cook them over their blazing dwellings.
I would hope you don't believe that beating Southerners to a pulp for daring to resume their own governance by withdrawing from the voluntary union. If you do think that, you would be at odds with Alexander Hamilton, future Chief Justice John Jay, James Madison and future Chief Justice John Marshall. They agreed during ratification that the Constitution meant that the states/people could resume their own governance. Heck, Madison and Marshall and three other Federalists wrote the Virginia ratification document. From Elliot's Debates, June 25, 1788 [Link]:
Ordered, That a committee be appointed to prepare and {656} report a form of ratification pursuant to the first resolution; and that Governor Randolph, Mr. Nicholas, Mr. Madison, Mr. Marshall, and Mr. Corbin, compose the said committee.
I'm sorry to say this, but you sometimes come off sounding like Sherman (who obviously hadn't read the ratification documents). Here is Sherman from July 1865 in Salem, Illinois:
I resolved in a moment to stop the game of guarding their cities and to destroy their cities. We were determined to produce results and now what were those results? To make every man, woman, and child in the South feel that if they dared to rebel against the flag of their country, they must die or submit.
You speak of depredations against Unionist East Tennesseans. Indeed, that is often all you talk about. I condemned those depredations and asked if you would likewise condemn the depredations by Sherman's men in Places like Columbia, South Carolina. You didn't condemn them. Perhaps that was an oversight on your part. I ask you again, do you condemn depredations, robberies, rapes, and home burnings by Sherman's men?
We're defending our heritage from you stinking yankees. If anybody worships earthly idols it's you and the rest of the coven. Your idolization of Lincoln and obama is sickening.
I'll bet a good chunk of your welfare money that you were closer to voting for Obama than I was.....
You're on. My welfare check against your stinking union dues.
Probably as long as yours and it's just as likely that my ancestors weren't sh**-kickers like yours.....
I doubt it. Where are your ancestors from? Kenya, like your hero?
just as likely that my ancestors weren't sh**-kickers like yours.....
By sh**kickers, do you mean my ancestors that kicked yankee pieses of sh** in The War?
yankee = big, steaming pile of skunk dung
I agree. That's totally unfair to the Mexican's to compare a lying, rotten, lazy POS yankee like you to our hard working neighbors to the south.
They weren’t considered men by the VAST majority of the south.
You mean, they weren't considered men by the vast majority of the north including your hero, disHonest Abe.
How “Christian” of you.
What would a Godless, heathen, POS yankee like you know about being a Christian?
At least it wasn’t the absolute worst President until now, FDR!!!!
Of course that logic applies just as much to those who claim that secession was legal in 1860 doesn't it? More so if you consider that the southern rebels resorted to actual violence and intimidation to re-enforce their distorted POV. Too bad they didn't plea their case to the US Supreme court before taking up arms against the United States, they may have won.
But at least the long since departed GOPcap was willing to make an argument based on substance, something this current crop of neo-secessionist runts seem incapable of.
My great grandmother was about that age in South Carolina when the war ended. Some of my wife's great grandparents were about the same age when Sherman's men came through their farms in Georgia. My in-laws hated Sherman with an intense passion that I didn't understand until I read accounts of how his men treated civilians.
They should have just tried Jefferson Davis. /sarc
Ah, the musings of tyrants and dictators.....
Washington tried to get one of his slaves returned from that wider world. From The Pennsylvania Gazette of Tuesday, May 24, 1796:
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Absconded from the household of the President of the United States, ONEY JUDGE, a light mulatto girl, much freckled, with very black eyes and bushy hair. She is of middle stature, slender, and delicately formed, about 20 years of age.
She has many changes of good clothes, of all sorts, but they are not sufficiently recollected to be described —As there was no suspicion of her going off, nor no provocation to do so, it is not easy to conjecture whither she has gone, or fully, what her design is;— but as she may attempt to escape by water, all matters of vessels are cautioned against admitting her into them, although it is probable she will attempt to pass for a free woman, and has, it is said, wherewithal to pay her passage.
Ten dollars will be paid to any person who will bring her home, if taken in the city, or on board any vessel in the harbour;—and a reasonable additional sum if apprehended at, and brought from a greater distance, and in proportion to the distance.
FREDERICK KITT, Steward.
Why should they do that? They had never given up the right to secede from the Union, their creation. You've reminded me of the words of ratifier John Taylor:
In the creation of the federal government, the states exercised the highest act of sovereignty, and they may, if they please, repeat the proof of their sovereignty, by its annihilation. But the union possesses no innate sovereignty, like the states; it was not self-constituted; it is conventional, and of course subordinate to the sovereignties by which it was formed.
The sovereignties which imposed the limitations upon the federal government, far from supposing that they perished by the exercise of a part of their faculties, were vindicated, by reserving powers in which their deputy, the federal government, could not participate; and the usual right of sovereigns to alter or revoke its commissions.
... at least the long since departed GOPcap was willing to make an argument based on substance ...
That he did. Also, former poster nolu chan provided a great number of historical documents, and I miss 4CJ who seems to have disappeared. Heck, I even miss Wlat -- he was the reason I signed up so that I could counter his posts.
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