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WND ^ | 3/1/2010 | Joseph Farrah

Posted on 03/01/2010 3:51:30 AM PST by patlin

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To: ari-freedom

Actually, no — Dr West was AT that hospital, but there is no evidence that he delivered Obama — who claimes he was born at Queens hospital. It was his sister who said Kapi’olani — they can’t get their stories straight.


381 posted on 03/02/2010 8:29:17 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: El Gato
BY EXECUTIVE ORDER – CHESTER ARTHUR FORCED MILITARY TO SALUTE GREAT BRITISH FLAG

EXECUTIVE ORDER.[2]

[Footnote 2: Read by the Secretary of State before the people assembled
to celebrate the Yorktown Centennial.]

YORKTOWN, VA., _October 19, 1881_.

In recognition of the friendly relations so long and so happily
subsisting between Great Britain and the United States, in the trust and
confidence of peace and good will between the two countries for all the
centuries to come, and especially as a mark of the profound respect
entertained by the American people for the illustrious sovereign and
gracious lady who sits upon the British throne

_It is hereby ordered_, That at the close of the ceremonies
commemorative of the valor and success of our forefathers in their
patriotic struggle for independence the British flag shall be saluted by
the forces of the Army and Navy of the United States now at Yorktown.

The Secretary of War and the Secretary of the Navy will give orders
accordingly.

CHESTER A. ARTHUR.

By the President:
JAMES G. BLAINE,
_Secretary of State_.

That’s incredible. By Executive Order, the POTUS usurper and closet British subject ordered our military to salute the British flag. I do not know of any other time in our national history where this happened. Read this part again:

commemorative of the valor and success of our forefathers in their
patriotic struggle for independence the British flag shall be saluted by
the forces of the Army and Navy of the United States now at Yorktown.

Commemorative of our struggle to rid ourselves of the British flag, and in recognition of the blood shed on the field of battle, the usurper forced our military to salute the enemy flag. This is simply a form of blasphemy against our Constitution and our forefathers. The act of saluting is an act of allegiance. Chester Arthur can kiss my arse.

Since Leo's archives are temporarily unavailable, you can read all bout this treasonous act of Chester Arthur here:

http://constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/ramifications-of-a-potus-who-is-a-british-subject/

382 posted on 03/02/2010 8:42:00 AM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: patlin

No wonder he ordered all his papers burned upon death.


383 posted on 03/02/2010 9:02:16 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; El Gato
Reportedly, he showed his true birth certificate

That part cracked me up, of course he did, because he could or wasn't hiding what's on it!

And the media didn't report the discrepancy. I have a jpeg of it and it says that he was born in the Colon Hospital in the city of Colon, Republic of Panama which was under the control of the Panama Railroad Company and is stamped as such. However,the papers do report that he was born on the base, so why was the birth cert issued by the Panama Railroad Company? And why does it say he was born in ‘Colon Hospital” while the newspapers article says he was born at Coco Solo Hospital?

This smells to high heaven to me & I believe is the reason that McCain couldn't call out Obama because he himself had embellished his birth story. I respect McCain's military career, it is very honorable, but his political career has not lived up to the patriot's reputation. He has brought disgrace to his honor by lying to ‘We the People’.

384 posted on 03/02/2010 9:12:29 AM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: patlin
This is simply my OPINION as I have nothing to prove it.

I believe that the Panama Railroad BC is a forgery from the left. I think it was cover for Bam. After the flap about McCain, who would listen to anything about Bam? Accusations would look like payback. I also believe McCains mother.

385 posted on 03/02/2010 9:21:37 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I have to agree about the railroad BC. It shows many discrepancies ... worse than any of the Obama COLBs ... Dudley DoRight included.


386 posted on 03/02/2010 9:33:17 AM PST by edge919
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To: kabumpo

not just his sister. Also a Barbara Nelson:

“When Barack Hussein Obama places his hand on the Bible to take the oath of office as 44th president of the United States, Barbara Nelson of Kenmore will undoubtedly think back to the day he was born. It was Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.

“I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone,” said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,” she recalls.”
His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.”

The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.

“I penned the name on a napkin, and I did write home about it,” said Nelson, knowing that her father, Stanley A. Czurles, director of the Art Education Department at Buffalo State College, would be interested in the “Stanley” connection.
...

The story does appear to be plausible since Dr. West retired in 1975 (http://honoluluprepares.com/author.html)


387 posted on 03/02/2010 9:37:04 AM PST by ari-freedom (Rush:Remember to put your faith in ideas and not people. People will always, always disappoint you!)
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To: edge919

It makes more sense. Start a firestorm over someone else and it will give you cover. The issue will burn itself out before it gets to you.


388 posted on 03/02/2010 9:46:21 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: ari-freedom
From your link: Nearing the end of his practice, Dr. West took on the role of medical director, Straub Clinic’s first, before retiring at 65 years of age in December of 1975.

Throughout his lifetime, Dr. West served the medical community in many other ways: as Kapi`olani Hospital’s Chief of Staff for a number of years, as president of the Hawaii Medical Association in 1963, as liaison for the annual Pan Pacific Surgical conferences in Honolulu and finally in the founding of The American College of Physician Executives, becoming its first president.

No date given as to when he stopped delivering babies. So it proves NOTHING.

389 posted on 03/02/2010 9:52:37 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Leo has documented proof that the McCain’s lived off base in an upscale neighborhood in Colon, Panama. So you would have us believe that they drove all the way to a makeshift military hospital instead of the ‘state of the art one at the time’ just to deliver little johnny jr?

I'm not that naive and I can't believe others here are either.

390 posted on 03/02/2010 10:03:05 AM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: Uncle Chip

Constitutional amendments get tested all the time in order to further define and refine the law. You don’t need to go to 1898 to see that the vast preponderance of settled case law since the ratification of the 14th Amendment has operationalized born citizens and naturalized citizens. “Anchor babies” are born citizens if and until some new law changes that status.
Last November, the Indiana Court of Appeals ruled that both Barack Obama and John McCain qualified for Indiana’s electoral votes as Natural Born Citizens. The case was “Ankeny et. al. v. Mitch Daniels, the Governor of Indiana.” The Court of Appeals used the guidance provided by US v Wong Kim Ark as a precedent for their decision.


391 posted on 03/02/2010 10:04:53 AM PST by jamese777
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To: Canadian Outrage

I agree that born in the United States citizens can be President. Naturalized ones, cannot. Simple. You have to agree that anybody who will not reveal WHO they are or where they CAME FROM, is not really eligible for the highest office in the land. What country frankly anywhere, would elect or place in office a “complete Blank Slate?” Kind of dangerous dontchya think?”. It is really very simple. The fact that Obama will NOT release any information about himself tells the ENTIRE story. End of story. America has been completely hoodwinked and deceived and there is defintely more than Obama involved. I’m just wondering tho about the electorate. I guess they didn’t care as long the name wasn’t Bush. A very sad mistake as you are about to see and experience. CO


But the state of Hawaii has confirmed Obama’s birth there and he is over 35 years of age and has been a resident of the US for at least 14 years. That’s what the Constitution requires.
Anyone not satisfied with Obama’s level of personal disclosure probably voted against him in 2008 and can do so again in 2012.
“Hawaii: Obama Birth Certificate is Real:”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm


392 posted on 03/02/2010 10:11:10 AM PST by jamese777
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To: Red Steel

Ripe one for ya .. ;)


393 posted on 03/02/2010 10:12:15 AM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: patlin
So they lived off base? So what? You can believe what you wish.

What I'm telling you is that the left had a vested interest in pushing the Colon story.

John McCain's Birthplace WaPo

She recalled "the 27 bottles of Scotch" stacked on a table of the nearby Officers' Club, gifts to her husband in celebration of the arrival of "the sweetest, nicest child I have ever known."

394 posted on 03/02/2010 10:19:00 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: jamese777

Zimmer et al. v. Acheson, Secretary of State United States Court of Appeals Tenth Circuit. – 191 F.2d 209, 1951

A case which outlines that there are only two classes of citizens of the US, native born and naturalized citizens. The former refers to citizenship by birth (Jus Soli), the latter refers to birth through statute. The Court referenced “Elk v Wilkins” and “US v Wong Kim Ark.”

“There are only two classes of citizens of the United States, native-born citizens and naturalized citizens. [1] and a citizen who did not acquire that status by birth in the United States is a naturalized citizen.” [2]

[1] Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94, 101, 102, 5 S.Ct. 41, 28 L.Ed. 643; United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 702, 18 S.Ct.

[2] United States v. Wong Kim Arm, 169 U.S. 649, 702-703, 18 S.Ct. 456; 42 L.Ed. 890; Johansen v. Staten Island Shipbuilding Co., 272 N.Y. 140, 5 N.E.2d 68, 70; United States v. Kellar, C.C.Ill., 13 F. 82, 85; Schaufus v. Attorney General of United States, D.C.Md., 45 F.Supp. 61, 67


395 posted on 03/02/2010 10:27:54 AM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

Oh really. The Census Bureau as late as 1892 was listing the children born of aliens/foreigners [aka “anchor babies”] as aliens/foreigners. I guess they didn’t get the memo —

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2461509/posts?page=264#264


396 posted on 03/02/2010 10:35:38 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: patlin
have a jpeg of it and it says that he was born in the Colon Hospital in the city of Colon, Republic of Panama which was under the control of the Panama Railroad Company and is stamped as such. However,the papers do report that he was born on the base, so why was the birth cert issued by the Panama Railroad Company? And why does it say he was born in ‘Colon Hospital” while the newspapers article says he was born at Coco Solo Hospital?

Because the one you have is as real as Obama's on line COLB? Both of the ones I have seen are pretty obvious fakes once you examine them at all closely.

397 posted on 03/02/2010 10:47:15 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: DJ MacWoW
WaPo: As I reported earlier, the McCain campaign has declined to publicly release the senator's birth certificate. But a senior campaign official showed me a copy of his birth certificate issued by the “family hospital” in the Coco Solo submarine base.

So both McCain docs that were posted on the internet in the fall of 2008 were fakes? There is a long form & a short form(COLB).

It really doesn't matter, the fact that the WaPo article follows the same ..”oh, I'll show it to you but no one else can see it.” Oh, give me a break. McShamnesty needs to sail back out to sea. He has disgraced himself & his honor by spitting on the faces of the American people.

Regardless, I voted for him & I do believe that there should be specific language added that the children of military, where ever born shall be eligible for POTUS as long as BOTH parents are US citizens and the child is raised & educated in the US. The bill(2678) to amend the constitution that was in committee when they all of a sudden dropped it to take on ‘SR 511’, had language that would have opened the door to a child born, raised & educated on the foreign soil of the foreign parent forever taking away the singular allegiance requirement The statist agenda is to open it up to advance their new trans-nationalism & global citizenship.

We need a concrete decision, either we follow the laws of nature as Vattel discusses or we completely submit back to the feudal form of government & the oppressive definition of subjectship our forefathers fought & died for to free us from.

398 posted on 03/02/2010 10:47:47 AM PST by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: BP2
Makes you wonder who was the REAL CinC in between the FIRST flubbed Oath of Office on Jan 20th (in quotes and required to be verbatim) and the “precautionary” and private SECOND Oath of Office on Jan 21st.

He may have signed a written version of the oath even before the inaguration ceremony.

OTOH, maybe he's not President.. oh wait.

399 posted on 03/02/2010 10:49:18 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Uncle Chip

Oh really. The Census Bureau as late as 1892 was listing the children born of aliens/foreigners [aka “anchor babies”] as aliens/foreigners. I guess they didn’t get the memo


That’s not suprising. A person was being held as a slave as late as 1902 when the 13th Amendment had been ratified in 1865 because they “didn’t get the memo.”
The law often moves slowly.


400 posted on 03/02/2010 10:54:27 AM PST by jamese777
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