Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link

orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

[newfreep]

This morning on Beck’s radio program during Glenn’s interview of Michelle Malkin, he stated even if obozo was NOT a NBC that nothing could be done about it so we should just drop it.

[Diggity]

???

[Author2]

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ke.html

What you know and what is fact are two different things. Go to the address above and click the first green INTRODUCTION +.

[1000 silverlings]

It’s not an original copy, look at the title

[Bikkuri]

I was a member of the site back then.. and I have Unfit for Command next to me in my bookshelf. Read it twice. I agree, even the ones that claimed they read it wouldn’t have the patience in the first place.

[DMZFrank]

So by your theory an “anchor baby” can be POTUS? I think not.

The term natural born citizen was first codified in writing in colonial reference books in 1758 in the legal reference book “Law of Nations.”

That legal reference book was used by John Jay, who later went on to become the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Jay had the clause inserted into the Constitution via a letter he wrote to George Washington, the leader of the Constitutional Convention. Jay was considered the outstanding legal scholar of his time and he was the one is responsible for inserting that term into the U. S. Constitution, which was derived from the Law of Nations.

John Jay wrote: “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

Emmerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist who attained world preeminence in international law. This was primarily the result of his great foundational work, which he published in 1758. His monumental work — The Law of Nations — applied a theory of natural law to international relations. His scholarly, foundational, and systematic explanation of the Law of Nations was especially influential in the United States.

The Law of Nations was so influential in the United States because his principles of liberty and equality coincided with the ideals expressed in the U. S. Declaration of Independence. In particular, his definitions in terms of Law governing nations regarding citizenship, defense of neutrality, and his rules for commerce between neutral and belligerent states were considered authoritative in the United States.

Many have said that de Vattel’s Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the U. S. Constitution. It is really not possible to overstate the influence of de Vattel’s Law of Nations as the primary reference book in the drafting of the U. S. Constitution. Emmerich de Vattel’s Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding U. S. Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the U. S. Constitution used for the inclusion of the “Natural Born Citizen” phrase. It nails what is meant by the “natural born citizen” phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the U. S. Constitution.

It is amazing how perfectly, precisely, and explicitly what Emmerich de Vattel, wrote in paragraph 212, of book 1, chapter 19, of The Law of Nations entitled CITIZENS AND NATIONS, applies to the Obama FRAUD. Quite clearly and explicitly it defines why Obama, can NOT possibly be qualified to be the President of the United States. Obama MUST be disqualified from the office of President of the United States according to the U. S. Constitution Section 1 Article 2.

“The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN.”

[Devils Avocado]

"Relevance for the copy of the Kenyan Birth Certificate dated 1964 is that is when Stanley requested a birth certificate for her divorce proceedings. If I ordered one of my childrens birth certificates today it would be dated 2009 with information of their birth in 199* which was the year that they were born."

How do we know she requested a copy of BHO's birth certificate for her divorce proceedings? The divorce was uncontested, so she wouldn't have needed any documentation.

[Think free or die]

"I was not taught to add a horizontal line thru my “7”. My parents, and later older European co-workers, always added this line to their “7”"
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I was taught this method in my 1970's era German classes. My parents are from what is now the Czech Republic, and they and my grandparents all use(d) the slash. It's indeed European practice, and very well established. My grandparents were born in ~the 1890's.

[Devils Avocado]

... They announced their decision to do so. That means they decided they ought to. That’s not the same as formally establishing a Republic (which, indeed, they did not do for a year after that date).

[Prince of Space]

Just came across this tidbit....

Parental objections didn't matter. For Stanley Ann, her new relationship with Barack Obama and weekend discussions seemed to be, in part, a logical extension of long coffeehouse sessions in Seattle and the teachings of Wichterman and Foubert. The forum now involved graduate students from the University of Hawaii. They spent weekends listening to jazz, drinking beer and debating politics and world affairs.

The self-assured and opinionated Obama spoke with a voice so deep that "he made James Earl Jones seem like a tenor," said Neil Abercrombie, a Democratic congressman from Hawaii who was part of those regular gatherings.

While Obama was impatient and energized, Stanley Ann, whom Abercrombie described as "the original feminist," was endlessly patient but quietly passionate in her arguments. She was the only woman in the group.

"I think she was attracted to his powerful personality," Abercrombie said, "and he was attracted to her beauty and her calmness."

So Neil was friends with Ann and Barack Sr.? Then he MUST have seen them together on the island when Ann was preggers, right? SOMEONE had to have seen her....or so you'd think.

[little jeremiah]

Excellent summary of situation as it stands.

[Little Ray]

Got that wrong, too. If it is real, it was issued dated 1964 as part of Obama’s mother’s divorce from his father. AFTER Kenya became independent. Hence the “Republic of Kenya” crest.

[uncbob]

The more this issue is looked into, the more problems are going to come up for Odumbo. At some point, there will be hints of a Nixonesque like cover up and hopefully this will lead to Odumbo’s resignation.

yeah like so many said Bubba was going to resign during his scandals

[Scanian]

I love Glenn but I don’t follow his logic on this.

[uncbob]

The COURTS are not going to take this case, EVER.

Agree

[Devils Avocado]

"And she wasn’t of age to pass on her US citizenship."

I keep hearing reference to this. Is there a reliable legal citation you can refer me to that says this? I only ever see this law referring to people who themselves are not American-born (i.e., became citizens as children and then became pregnant as teens/young adults).

[bgill]

I couldn’t say.

I checked rootsweb.com and didn’t find anything on their global search.

I checked a UK phone look up site but it was a pay site so didn’t get much but names. Sorry, forgot site but easy to google. Here’s every male beginning with E that’s close:

Edward L. Lavender, age 65+, Electoral Roll 2007-08
Edward and Muriel R. Lavender, age 65+, Electoral Roll 2002-09
Eric and Una M. Lavender, age ?, Electoral Roll 2002-03
Eric and Doreen M. Lavender, age ?, Electoral Roll 2002
Eric J. and Noreen R. Lavender, age 65+, Electoral Roll 2007-08.

I suspect the last two might be one despite the spellings.

[omega4179]

Wouldn’t zanzibar have to issue b/c for births under their sovereignty and why would BHO sr.go to zanzibar in 61?

[autumnraine]

Holy Crap. They did put it in the 50th Anniversary Bill for Hawaii. “Whereas the 44th President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii”.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

[Mount Athos]

Hello PA Engineer.

You say you can "smell the ozone" because you can't find my quote at the link given.

You think I should be banned from FR because you can't find my citation? Isn't that a little extreme?

Where at your link does it say that? Before you answer I already visited there before my previous post.

Then your reading comprehension must be poor today, because somehow you missed it twice? The quote is exactly at the link I gave:

http://j-mydland.net/KUT/Kenya.htm

The quote is:

This card represents the typical tourist view of Kenya; wildlife.

Why are you reading a quote from a 1963 stamp that doesn't have the word "republic" on it? We are talking about the 1964 stamp with the word republic on it. The letter you chose is one mailed 11 months before the stamp even came out.

Scroll down and find the stamp in question for a letter mailed 1965.



Wow look it has the stamp we are talking about with "republic" on it! And the author even put the quote i listed, the one you said didn't exist so therefore I should be banned.

"Air mail envelope cancelled NAIROBI 4th February 1965, bearing the 1 Sh 30c stamp showing a Hartlaub's Turaco. This series of 5 was issued precisely a year after the first series; 12th December 1964, and was to commemorate the Inauguration of Republic. The machine cancellation says "Shop by Telephone", and was probably the early 60's answer to nowadays comp"

I wonder if you have enough class to apologize?

You might reconsider saying "I smell the ozone" reflexively on ordinary discussions...