Marion County teen defies ban on Confederate flag clothing

Ocala Star-Banner ^ | October 5, 2006 | Christopher Curry

[takeemout]

Overall with the current trends, what is being said is: "you are supposed to change your thoughts, your ideas, your feelings, your attire, your ability to succeed, your knowledge, your abilities, your skin color, your beliefs, your weight, your height, your ideology, what you say, what you do and how you act so I can be comfortable, but yet, you'd better not say anything about what I do."

I had a professor in grad school who told me to "watch your lingo" and that was all it took. From them on I would say things just to pi** her off!

If I offend anyone my response is: GET OVER IT!

[LowOiL]

Sure doesn't help the negative stereotypes of those who hang onto the long dead past.

Like the Bible?

Those that forget their own history are condemned to repete it..

[LowOiL]

However, I do not change my belief that these people are racist trash and deserve and any harsh words/actions they receive in response. I don't want to hear a bunch of crap about how it's the history of the South, Southern heritage, etc. That flag still has a strong meaning today, and it isn't a positive one.

LOL, my wife is from Minnesota... guess she just married beneath herself... BTW.. Best Damn Yankee ever to move south... Cutiest too...

Three Rebel Yell boys later (13 years of marriage under our belts).. she still has no compelling to move back north for some reason... wonder why?

[LowOiL]

Haven't seen any of those. Anti-slavery, yes, anti-Confederacy (but I repeat myself), yes, but no anti-South postings that I can see.

I had local kinfolk (heart of Dixie) that sent his sons to fight for the Union. He first told them to join Confederacy (before they were drafted, and could not select regement) and to slip off at the first chance to join the Union...

Now oddly enough, lots of that history is recorded to this day when my kinfolk tried to recoop some of his crops/goods the Union destroyed when camped down here. First hand accounts of him and all the neighbors were recorded, including his reason for supporting the Union. NOT ONE in all the pages was Slavery an issue... NOT ONCE... The Union, yes, but not slavery... (which he never owned)..

Read it for yourself...

http://users.harpwro.com/home/aceala/interest.htm

Not only does this page contain my family history on the subject, but many other local familes... Each tell their own stories... in their own words... sworn to tell the truth.. in a time that they did keep their words when sworn to do so... Notice the answers with "YES SIR"...

Is Blam Blam pernounced Blah Blah up north? Just wondering...

[LowOiL]

pernounced = pronounced (just slured to sound like per down here)

[tkathy]

Like the Bible? Spare me the moral equivilence.

[tkathy]

The union didn't destroy the south, the abominable, stupid, supremicist leadership of the south destroyed the south.

[MinnesotaLibertarian]

But I never said the flag should be banned. Quite the contrary - I said people had the right to display it any way they wished. However, as you said, a symbol has the importance that the viewer puts into it. All I did was voice my own opinion of what that symbol means to me.

On a side note, I don't understand why so many conservatives hate Malcolm X but love MLK. You notice how we hear about all this stuff MLK did in 1963 and earlier, and then we don't hear much else about him except that he was assasinated in 1968? What happened to those years in between? He turned into a total leftist, but we hardly hear about that. As for Malcolm X, we all now about the "white devil" remark and his association with the Nation of Islam, but it's less mentioned how he changed later in life. MLK argued for reparations and affirmative action, Malcolm X advocated self-reliance. Who sounds more conservative to you?

Like many liberals, MLK was born into a middle-class famliy and then took it upon himself to advocate for the less fortunate, without really knowing what their lives were like. Malcolm X was the real deal, growing up broke and on the steets for much of this life. But, for some reason, history has chosen to glorify MLK and shame Malcolm X. Liberal history revisionism at its finest...

[orionblamblam]

> Ex-slaves repudiate all the propaganda that you attempt to disseminate. Millions of blacks did not attempt to flee, before, during or after the war.

Then what problem would you have had with the idea of enslaving the CSA officers (and their families, let's say) after the war???

> You're probably an atheist/evolutionist too I bet.

Hmm. The implication seems to be that the Confederates and their appologists don't evolve. Makes sense.

[New Girl]

I said "over" not above, genius. Read the posts.

[New Girl]

my presumption is that "new girl" INTENTIONALLY selected the word "above" and held to that NONSENSE right up until several FReepers pointed out that her claim as at LEAST terminally IGNORANT or an outright LIE. fwiw, i went to a "Cherokee forum" meeting this afternoon (after i read your post) & asked a group of about 10 "young ladies" (most of the attendees are families, with children. i would GUESS that the girls were about 10-13 years young.) what THEIR understanding of the word "above" was. they uniformly said something like: "on TOP of" or "right at the top". NONE said "instead of". free dixie,sw

My original post... A truly patriotic American doesn't choose to fly another flag over an American one. Are we a united people or what? How did you like it when the "guest workers" were flying the Mexican flag a couple of months ago?

Why don't you actually read the posts before foaming at the mouth. Also, you're not supposed to reference another Freeper by name without copying them on your post. Who is the LIAR here?????? You just LIED about what I wrote. I didn't say "above" I said OVER. OVER, OVER, OVER, OVER. Get in your head TINY man.

[Polybius]

Wanting the south to have won the war, and wanting Indians, blacks, etc. to be unable to vote...........

Actually, even with the Union winning the war and even with the ratification of the 14th Amendment, American Indians were not, as a group, granted U.S.citizenship and the right to vote until 1924.

Indian Citizenship Act of 1924

[orionblamblam]

Yes, the US has had some shameful aspects. But the War Of Southern Agggression was fought in order to enshrien for all eternity the right of one man to own another. Read the secession declarations. Read the Confederate state constitutions. There made it abundantly clear that slavery was to last forever.

[Wormwood]

I fully support the right to wear the rebel flag.

It's much more succinct than writing "I'm an idiot" on one's clothing.

[tkathy]

Islam blames the jews for all their self created problems. The neoconfederates blame Lincoln and the Union for all their self created problems.

[Wormwood]

LOL! Perfecto!

[x]

The antebellum North never threatened to "take away their slaves."

But that was very much the perception of Southern slaveowners when secession was voted. Republican victory was interpreted as being the beginning of the end for slavery. The most militant slaveowners decided that they couldn't accept that and decided to leave. And by the end of the war, it very much was a war against slavery.

War aims change over time. What we wanted to do in 1917 was very different from what we ended up doing in 1919. It's the same way with 1861 and 1865, or indeed with our present involvement in the Middle East: what our government wanted to do with Saddam Hussein was different in 1979 or 1990 from what we wanted to do in 2003. If you're looking for some state of purity that doesn't exist in politics you can take some objection to that. It doesn't change the fact that we've always had differences with him. In the same way, just exactly what Republicans wanted to do about slavery changed in the party's first ten years of existence, but that doesn't mean that Republicans weren't by far the anti-slavery party of the two or three or four alternatives available.

However, again, this trend on tariffs and economic and power sparring began decades before Lincoln and the abolitionist fervor.

I guess the idea is that high tariffs are somehow illegitimate -- for the Rockwellites it sometimes sounds like protectionism is worse than slavery -- but that goes too far. Even limited government Southern Jeffersonians like Madison and Monroe supported high tariffs in the 1810s. They wouldn't have if they felt protective tariffs were inherently wrong.

And if the tariff was so important to Southern political elites, they would have made it, rather than slavery the centerpiece of their political platform, which they didn't. I'm not saying the Morrill tariff was a good thing, just that it was a sideshow to what was going on politically in the 1860s.

What I meant by that was in the same Congressional period they should've introduced an amendment to repeal the 9th and 10th. I mean they would have just been putting down on paper what they actually did in practice.

But the big changes didn't come along until later, when activist judges got power. The 14th Amendment was poorly drafted, and a lot of what judges have found in it wasn't what those who wrote it intended.

But to place the question of meaning on the 9th and 10th amendments is to echo the words of Ted Kennedy when he ignorantly (right in character for him) tried to go up against John Ascroft--Ashcroft ripped him a new one on the purpose and intent of both amendments, and the purpose of the Constitution in general--A limited government with only those powers conceded to it by the states. That theme is also constantly reiterated in the Federalists papers.

Congress had the option of drafting the 10th Amendment to forbid the Congress and federal government from exercising any powers other than those that had been "expressly" granted to it. Congress didn't go that route. Consequently it was hard to figure out just what the amendment meant.

And this conflict goes back to the very beginning. If Congress had the right to establish a postal service, it also had the power to set up pensions for postal employees and improve roads for the mails. And if it had the power to coin money, it took the right to print currency and charter banks as part of that power. So just what the amendment allowed and what it forbade isn't entirely clear. More information here.

But, the slaves were not of value monetarily to the North.

They were to the South -- or at least to the political and economic elites of the Deep South. They were so important that Southern Democrats close to the planter class promoted secession (mistakenly as it turned out) as a way of protecting their investment.

It was a breaking away as the South was paying almost 90% of Federal Tariff monies starting in 1828 and only saw more and more protectionist legislation coming out of Washington.

I think you may find such claims are more propaganda than fact. They're based on the assumption that 1) the Cotton South provided most of the exports, and 2) therefore must have payed most of the import taxes. I don't know about the first claim, but the problem with the second is that Southerners bought things from the North and had money invested in the North. Northerners then used the funds they earned from that commerce to buy things from abroad.

The population of the North was larger, so there would have been more Northern consumers. Also, the purchase of large capital goods like locomotives or power looms by Northerners has to be taken into account.

Southern writers and politicians 1) didn't consider such purchases and the taxes Northerners would have paid on them, 2) didn't take into account the goods and services they would have bought from Northerners which enabled Northerners to buy exports, and 3) thought of agriculture as the "true basis" of the economy so that Northern manufacturing didn't have to be taken into account.

[New Girl]

I, for one, would like to thank you, Stand Watie, for all of your thought-provoking posts on this discussion board.

DAMNyankees have FOREVER been RACISTS, ANTISEMITES & FILLED with PREJUDICE of all disgusting sorts. they also lead the nation in SANCTAMONIOUS, MEAN-spirited,elitist arrogance & SELF-importance.

frankly, i think you'll be much happier on DU with "your DAMNyankee/LUNATIC/BIGOTED EX-freeper friends!"

otoh, i would NOT say that in the case of DAMNyankees, scalawags, carpetbaggers and/or dixie turncoats, regardless of political affiliation. those CREEPS deserved whatever they got!

DAMNyankees have forever been REALLY GOOD at being SANCTAMONIOUS, SELF-serving, MEAN-spirited SELF-righteous & CRUEL.

yet ANOTHER terminally SILLY post!

"blam", don't you know that almost everyone is laughing AT you b& ridiculing you behind your back???

don't you CARE that you are thought to be a clueLESS nitwit???

MORE REVISIONIST bilge & wishful thinking from "x", the DAMNyankee.

what is SAD & PITIFUL is that you are so IGNORANT & CLUELESS about HISTORY.

what you constantly post is nothing more than the NOBNSENSE & SELF-serving BILGE out of LEFTIST northeastern academia's most lunatic fringe.

FACE IT, "Roo", you've been LIED TO & made a FOOL of. don't you get tired of being RIDICULED as a NITWIT???

well, expect to get laughed AT by many of FR's smarter members, as your posts are NONSENSE & i fear not only EVASIVE, but moreover,you seem to have a "problem" with TELLING the TRUTH. TRUTH is IMPORTANT, don't you think??? laughing AT you, LIAR!

it's clear ONLY in your PREJUDICED, half-educated, empty head.

laughing AT you.

fwiw, i've been "blessed with" "blam's" NITWITTERY, LIES & HATE-filled NONSENSE for a while now.

PITY that he/she doesn't head over to DU to post his/her prejudiced BILGE!

and your point IS???> do you HAVE a point??? laughing AT you.

"that's a fact for many people"====> ONLY for DUMB-bunnies, HATERS & the terminally IGNORANT ones.

you're a FINE one to talk, "blam". fwiw, you are WELL-KNOWN on these threads for DUMB-bunny, HATE-filled, IGNORANT prejudice against the southland, our battleflag & southerners.

laughing AT you.

the BATTLEFLAG has negative "stong meaning" ONLY to IGNORANT south-HATERS, nitwits and/or hate-FILLED people. that is simply FACT.

yet another STUPID post from FR's last remaining DUMB-bunny! to all: yet another "phoney-baloney",DUMB-bunny, PREJUDICED post from "JSU&TI"!

do you REALLY believe that SELF-serving STUPID LIE???? it's straight out of the northeastern LEFTIST "SPIN MACHINE". it could have been written for "chuckie schumer" the LEFTIST, IDIOT, senator from "the socialist peoples republik of knew yowk".

of course, you probably idolize schumer the FOOL, as he's a BIG-mouth,a nitwit & idiot too.

SELF-serving,cruel, MEAN-spirited,CORRUPT,ARROGANT, sanctimonious, SELF-righteous & (THANKFULLY), GONE to his UNpleasantly WARM but JUST reward, work for me.

another DUMB-bunny comment from one of our resident DUMBbunnies = "forthedeclaration". (SMART FReepers laugh AT him/her.).

UTTER NONSENSE! don't you get really tired of being RIDICULED as a "maroon"???

btw, you are an EMBARRASSMENT to the DECENT people on FR! consider LEAVING & NEVER returning.(if you do,we ordinary Freepers will ALL cheer your decision.)

why are you such a HATE-filled, arrogantly ignorant, prejudiced creep??? OR could it be that you're a TROLL, who knows very well that you are just posting things that promote DISCORD on the forum.

i keep wondering WHY they let you stay as a FReeper. NOTHING you write is less than NONSENSE, SILLINESS, DISHONEST, terminally IGNORANT of the FACTS and/or filled with obvious hatred.

most of the time (but NOT always) i can laugh AT you, but sometimes i just feel sorry for you.

what UTTER HOGWASH!

laughing AT you! (don't you get really tired of smart FReepers believing you to be a cretin???)

i suspect "4CJ" has numerous friends who are yankees (as i do). neither of us has much patience with DAMNyankees, as the DYs are IGNORANT, prejudiced & hate the southland/southerners. thankfully, only 10-15% of northerners are DAMNyankees.

normal people laugh AT your DUMBbunny posts.

if i were you, i'd keep quiet about "insane" people on FR. YOU have the reputation of being a HATE-filled, ignorant, LEFTIST and a clueLESS fool.

head over to DU & sup with the other nitwits & trolls. well then, don't be offended if i laugh AT you, as i do several of the more obvious SELF-important TWITS & idiots on FR (MOST of whom are members in good standing of "the DAMNyankee coven of revisionists, dunces,nitwits, lunatics, HATERS & at least ONE outright bigot/RACIST").

that, fwiw, is called "freedom of expression".

laughing AT you!

you look MORE clueLESS (if that's possible!) with each & every DUMB-bunny post you make.

oh, YeAH, LOVE the USE of caPS. Do you cap every third word to EMPHASIZE your use of "NITWIT" and "DUMB-bunny" or IS it because YOU don't have a CLue abOUT basic html?

[tkathy]

LOL

[Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin]

It is quite easy to tell that you think your post is incredibly funny. But, if our nation refuses to recognize and do something about this horrible, sell all the folks of the U.S. down the river games being played by ALL of the politicians from one end of the U.S. to the other, EXACTLY what stand watie said will be realized. And you will have Lincoln and all the following presidents to thank. So, take that one to the bank, BUDDY!