Posted on 07/06/2006 7:01:52 AM PDT by SquirrelKing
otoh, everyone here knows you're a PROPAGANDIST for the DY elitists. it is your JOB!
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First, slavery was the occasion, not the cause. Do you understand the distinction?
Second, the South didn't start the 'war' but we did fire the first shot. (Who started this recent war in the Middle East? Israel or Hezbollah?)
led to the horrors of Andersonville
Northern politicians played politics with Andersonville then just as your northern politicians play politics with Abu Gurab and Gittmo now.
http://feministblogs.org/tag/robert-e-lee/
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/People/Robert_E_Lee/FREREL/1/21*.html
Feminist blogs and University of Chicago. Humph. I'm sure there's no bias on either of these two sites.
Did you read the rubbish that you posted? It's standard liberal bias and you so called 'conservatives' from the north eat this crap up.
REL was a man of the south, with all its quirky mixtures of honor and cruelty. That is neither complement or disparagement. Just fact.
Are you saying that Southerners are 'different' from people in other regions of the country?
The North didn't want to exchange prisoners because to do so would help the Southern manpower situation. The North had stopped prisoner exchange long before the Lee-Grant communications.
Here is an admission of the Federal Commissioner of Exchange, General Benjamin "Beast" Butler, concerning prisoner exchange:
In case the Confederate authorities should yield to the argument...and formally notify me that their slaves captured in our uniform would be exchanged as other soldiers were, and that they were ready to return to us all our prisoners at Andersonville and elsewhere in exchange for theirs, I had determined, with the consent of the lieutenant-general [Grant], as a last resort, in order to prevent exchange, to demand that the outlawry against me should be formally reversed and apologized for before I would further negotiate the exchange of prisoners.It may be remarked here that the rebels were willing enough to exchange prisoners at this time, man for man, were we to permit it to be done.
The North would not permit the South to allow Northern doctors through the lines to bring medicines and treat Northern prisoners in Confederate prisons even though the South offered to buy the medicines for the Northern prisoners. Sad, but true.
scalawag - a white Southerner who supported Reconstruction policies after the American Civil War (usually for self-interest);rogue: a deceitful and unreliable scoundrel
Now that is something to be proud of. Of course, I guess that's a step up from being just a plain damnyankee.
BTW, what Southern state are you proud to be a scalawag from?
As I stated in post #586: "Northern politicians played politics with Andersonville then just as your northern politicians play politics with Abu Gurab and Gittmo now."
Some Northerners during the WBTS figured it out. Here's Walt Whitman in a December 1864 letter to the New York Times concerning prisoner deaths at Andersonville:
In my opinion, the Secretary has taken and obstinately held a position of cold-blooded policy, (that is, he thinks it policy) in this matter, more cruel than anything done by the secessionists. ... In my opinion, the anguish and death of these ten to fifteen thousand American young men, with all the added and incalculable sorrow, long drawn out, amid families at home, rests mainly on the heads of members of our own Government..."
Hey RB, let's not make excuses for these war-time atrocities by blaming politicians on either side. These men were still under the care of the Reb army, regardless. -btw I'd say the same thing regarding the notorious Union prison camps that Chief Leaky Sphincter is bound to bring up.
Both sides had serious problems with prisoners.
As I remember, on the occasion that you are talking about the North had asked to be sent Northern prisoners that were in the worst shape. The South was glad to comply. The North then took pictures of the worst of the prisoners at Annapolis, e.g., those that had dysentery and were completely emaciated as a result. The pictures were then used by the North as being representative of how the South was treating prisoners. Pure PR.
Judge Robert Ould, Southern Agent of Exchange, noted that the Federals had specifically requested the very worst sick prisoners on two occasions.
"Accordingly, the hospitals were searched for the worst cases, and after they were delivered they were taken to Annapolis and there photographed as specimen prisoners. The photographs at Annapolis were terrible indeed; but the misery they portrayed was surpassed at Savannah."
Here Ould is talking about some Confederate soldiers sent to Savannah by the North in return for thirteen thousand Federal soldiers, the majority of them well, that Ould was giving up without requiring exchange. The North sent thirty five hundred prisoners to Savannah. Five hundred of them apparently died on the trip south. Ould called them a cargo of living death.
the FACTS are that NOT EVEN ONE intentional atrocity happened at Camp Sumpter, not even ONE. (source: the records of the OFFICIAL US ARMY Prisoner of War Center at Andersonville.) there WAS a lot of illness & deaths from poor hygiene, but those deaths were caused by nothing to feed the POWs & MOSTLY a misunderstanding of the causes of diseases in that era.
otoh, TENS of THOUSANDS of helpless POWs were INTENTIONALLY tortured/assaulted/denied medical care/denied clothing/denied food and, all too frequently, MURDERED in cold-blood by the DY fiends that ran those HELLHOLES. those are the FACTS, whether you wish to know them or not!
the INESCAPABLE conclusion is that lincoln, the TYRANT, & his coven of thugs were WAR CRIMINALS, pure & simple. they deserved hanging.
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Sadly, there was many good people in the lowland South who were ill-served and misled by the movers and shakers of the slaveowning interest. A relic of the old Unionists is found in Harrogate Tennessee where Lincoln Memorial University has the motto "We wear his name proudly ".
I have to give you credit. No reb on Free Republic has the style that you do. You are the JEB Stuart of FR secessionists. When most the Confederates on this board take off like Bragg's army from Missionary Ridge, ol stand stands his ground.
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I am sure you are right, that the blacks lived in the big house, and the whites lived in the slave cabins often as not.
I am also sure, since race didn't matter, that blacks owned white slaved.
Right.
I am saying that REL was a creature of his times.
Some of us know better now.
Others, not so sure.
So would you suggest that Buck Watie was a scalaway, in that he sold out the Cherokee for personal gain?
Was Stand Watie a scalawagus interuptus in that he tried to sell out the Cherokee again, but was interupted by the Union victory?
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