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Yankee clauses dashed [Local landowner REALLY didn't like yankees...]
The Island Packet ^ | 07/06/2006 | JIM FABER

Posted on 07/06/2006 7:01:52 AM PDT by SquirrelKing

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To: Non-Sequitur
since the NUMBERS, state pension records & the AVAILABLE CSA service records agree with DR Blackerby's figure of 100,000-150,000 BLACK CSA veterans,your post is FALSE.

otoh, everyone here knows you're a PROPAGANDIST for the DY elitists. it is your JOB!

free dixie,sw

581 posted on 07/14/2006 9:56:43 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: cowboyway
lol!

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582 posted on 07/14/2006 9:57:24 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
we southrons TRY to forget the TRAITORS., who turned their SCALAWAG backs on family/county/state/the southland & served the IMPERIALISTS that invaded our new little republic.

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583 posted on 07/14/2006 9:59:20 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Donald Meaker
another FALSE post, "the data" of which is straight out of LEFTIST, REVISIONIST academia.

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584 posted on 07/14/2006 10:00:31 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
"I am a scalawag" ====> i can't imagine that you are proud of being a turncoat to your native state/southland.

free dixie,sw

585 posted on 07/14/2006 10:02:08 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Donald Meaker
My point is the war was begin by the south, over slavery

First, slavery was the occasion, not the cause. Do you understand the distinction?

Second, the South didn't start the 'war' but we did fire the first shot. (Who started this recent war in the Middle East? Israel or Hezbollah?)

led to the horrors of Andersonville

Northern politicians played politics with Andersonville then just as your northern politicians play politics with Abu Gurab and Gittmo now.

http://feministblogs.org/tag/robert-e-lee/
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/People/Robert_E_Lee/FREREL/1/21*.html

Feminist blogs and University of Chicago. Humph. I'm sure there's no bias on either of these two sites.

Did you read the rubbish that you posted? It's standard liberal bias and you so called 'conservatives' from the north eat this crap up.

REL was a man of the south, with all its quirky mixtures of honor and cruelty. That is neither complement or disparagement. Just fact.

Are you saying that Southerners are 'different' from people in other regions of the country?

586 posted on 07/14/2006 10:05:36 AM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: Donald Meaker; cowboyway
Because of this impasse, the exchange cartel was never repaired and tens of thousands of prisoners of war, on both sides, mainly white, died of cholera and typhoid fever in hellish prison camps.

The North didn't want to exchange prisoners because to do so would help the Southern manpower situation. The North had stopped prisoner exchange long before the Lee-Grant communications.

Here is an admission of the Federal Commissioner of Exchange, General Benjamin "Beast" Butler, concerning prisoner exchange:

In case the Confederate authorities should yield to the argument...and formally notify me that their slaves captured in our uniform would be exchanged as other soldiers were, and that they were ready to return to us all our prisoners at Andersonville and elsewhere in exchange for theirs, I had determined, with the consent of the lieutenant-general [Grant], as a last resort, in order to prevent exchange, to demand that the outlawry against me should be formally reversed and apologized for before I would further negotiate the exchange of prisoners.

It may be remarked here that the rebels were willing enough to exchange prisoners at this time, man for man, were we to permit it to be done.

The North would not permit the South to allow Northern doctors through the lines to bring medicines and treat Northern prisoners in Confederate prisons even though the South offered to buy the medicines for the Northern prisoners. Sad, but true.

587 posted on 07/14/2006 10:05:37 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
by conviction and ancestry I am a scalawag

scalawag - a white Southerner who supported Reconstruction policies after the American Civil War (usually for self-interest);rogue: a deceitful and unreliable scoundrel

Now that is something to be proud of. Of course, I guess that's a step up from being just a plain damnyankee.

BTW, what Southern state are you proud to be a scalawag from?

588 posted on 07/14/2006 10:17:03 AM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: rustbucket
The North would not permit the South to allow Northern doctors through the lines to bring medicines and treat Northern prisoners in Confederate prisons even though the South offered to buy the medicines for the Northern prisoners. Sad, but true

As I stated in post #586: "Northern politicians played politics with Andersonville then just as your northern politicians play politics with Abu Gurab and Gittmo now."

589 posted on 07/14/2006 10:19:53 AM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: cowboyway
As I stated in post #586: "Northern politicians played politics with Andersonville then just as your northern politicians play politics with Abu Gurab and Gittmo now."

Some Northerners during the WBTS figured it out. Here's Walt Whitman in a December 1864 letter to the New York Times concerning prisoner deaths at Andersonville:

In my opinion, the Secretary has taken and obstinately held a position of cold-blooded policy, (that is, he thinks it policy) in this matter, more cruel than anything done by the secessionists. ... In my opinion, the anguish and death of these ten to fifteen thousand American young men, with all the added and incalculable sorrow, long drawn out, amid families at home, rests mainly on the heads of members of our own Government..."

590 posted on 07/14/2006 10:29:15 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
"The Released prisoners of war are now coming up from the southern prisons. I have seen a number of them. The sight is worse than any sight of battle-fields, or any collection of wounded, even the bloodiest. There was, (as a sample,) one large boat load, of several hundreds, brought about the 25th, to Annapolis; and out of the whole number only three individuals were able to walk from the boat. The rest were carried ashore and laid down in one place or another. Can those be men—those little livid brown, ash-streak’d, monkey-looking dwarfs?—are they really not mummied, dwindled corpses? They lay there, most of them, quite still, but with a horrible look in their eyes and skinny lips (often with not enough flesh on the lips to cover their teeth.) Probably no more appalling sight was ever seen on this earth. (There are deeds, crimes, that may be forgiven; but this is not among them. It steeps its perpetrators in blackest, escapeless, endless damnation. Over 50,000 have been compell’d to die the death of starvation—reader, did you ever try to realize what starvation actually is?—in those prisons—and in a land of plenty.) An indescribable meanness, tyranny, aggravating course of insults, almost incredible—was evidently the rule of treatment through all the southern military prisons. The dead there are not to be pitied as much as some of the living that come from there—if they can be call’d living—many of them are mentally imbecile, and will never recuperate." -Walt Whitman

Hey RB, let's not make excuses for these war-time atrocities by blaming politicians on either side. These men were still under the care of the Reb army, regardless. -btw I'd say the same thing regarding the notorious Union prison camps that Chief Leaky Sphincter is bound to bring up.

591 posted on 07/14/2006 12:35:02 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: mac_truck
Hey, mac. Good to hear from you.

Both sides had serious problems with prisoners.

As I remember, on the occasion that you are talking about the North had asked to be sent Northern prisoners that were in the worst shape. The South was glad to comply. The North then took pictures of the worst of the prisoners at Annapolis, e.g., those that had dysentery and were completely emaciated as a result. The pictures were then used by the North as being representative of how the South was treating prisoners. Pure PR.

Judge Robert Ould, Southern Agent of Exchange, noted that the Federals had specifically requested the very worst sick prisoners on two occasions.

"Accordingly, the hospitals were searched for the worst cases, and after they were delivered they were taken to Annapolis and there photographed as specimen prisoners. The photographs at Annapolis were terrible indeed; but the misery they portrayed was surpassed at Savannah."

Here Ould is talking about some Confederate soldiers sent to Savannah by the North in return for thirteen thousand Federal soldiers, the majority of them well, that Ould was giving up without requiring exchange. The North sent thirty five hundred prisoners to Savannah. Five hundred of them apparently died on the trip south. Ould called them a cargo of living death.

592 posted on 07/14/2006 1:28:27 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: mac_truck
you know the more i hear from you the better i like slugs, spiders & snakes.

the FACTS are that NOT EVEN ONE intentional atrocity happened at Camp Sumpter, not even ONE. (source: the records of the OFFICIAL US ARMY Prisoner of War Center at Andersonville.) there WAS a lot of illness & deaths from poor hygiene, but those deaths were caused by nothing to feed the POWs & MOSTLY a misunderstanding of the causes of diseases in that era.

otoh, TENS of THOUSANDS of helpless POWs were INTENTIONALLY tortured/assaulted/denied medical care/denied clothing/denied food and, all too frequently, MURDERED in cold-blood by the DY fiends that ran those HELLHOLES. those are the FACTS, whether you wish to know them or not!

the INESCAPABLE conclusion is that lincoln, the TYRANT, & his coven of thugs were WAR CRIMINALS, pure & simple. they deserved hanging.

free dixie,sw

593 posted on 07/14/2006 2:18:37 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: cowboyway
My people came from Georgia, Tennessee, North Carolina. Up in the mountains where in the mid 1800s people generally thought of themselves as Americans and not Southerners.

Sadly, there was many good people in the lowland South who were ill-served and misled by the movers and shakers of the slaveowning interest. A relic of the old Unionists is found in Harrogate Tennessee where Lincoln Memorial University has the motto "We wear his name proudly ".


594 posted on 07/14/2006 2:46:49 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: stand watie
you know the more i hear from you the better i like slugs, spiders & snakes.

I have to give you credit. No reb on Free Republic has the style that you do. You are the JEB Stuart of FR secessionists. When most the Confederates on this board take off like Bragg's army from Missionary Ridge, ol stand stands his ground.

595 posted on 07/14/2006 2:52:55 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
i guess i should be flattered. i'd be happier though IF you stopped posting REVISIONIST, ANTI-dixie LIES, which the REVISIONISTS are fully aware ARE lies.

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596 posted on 07/14/2006 2:58:24 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: cowboyway

I am sure you are right, that the blacks lived in the big house, and the whites lived in the slave cabins often as not.

I am also sure, since race didn't matter, that blacks owned white slaved.


Right.


597 posted on 07/14/2006 4:14:05 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (Brother, can you Paradigm?)
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To: cowboyway

I am saying that REL was a creature of his times.

Some of us know better now.

Others, not so sure.


598 posted on 07/14/2006 4:16:15 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (Brother, can you Paradigm?)
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To: cowboyway

So would you suggest that Buck Watie was a scalaway, in that he sold out the Cherokee for personal gain?

Was Stand Watie a scalawagus interuptus in that he tried to sell out the Cherokee again, but was interupted by the Union victory?


599 posted on 07/14/2006 4:18:59 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (Brother, can you Paradigm?)
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To: Donald Meaker
you post in a word is : DUMB!

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600 posted on 07/14/2006 8:46:59 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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