Dinosaur Shocker (YEC say dinosaur soft tissue couldn’t possibly survive millions of years)

Smithsonian Magazine ^ | May 1, 2006 | Helen Fields

[mlc9852]

They are good at ridicule. Good thing I am not a sensitive person. LOL

[GourmetDan]

...Fact is, there is no *evidence* that is inconsistent with a created, adaptive biology...

And there never will be. Because *anything* is compatable with a "created biology". That's one of the reasons it's not science - there's no way to test it.

And the *exact* *same* *thing* goes for evolution, in case you are inadvertantly being selective in your criticism.

[mlc9852]

The Branding of a Heretic
Are religious scientists unwelcome at the Smithsonian?

BY DAVID KLINGHOFFER
Friday, January 28, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST

The question of whether Intelligent Design (ID) may be presented to public-school students alongside neo-Darwinian evolution has roiled parents and teachers in various communities lately. Whether ID may be presented to adult scientific professionals is another question altogether but also controversial. It is now roiling the government-supported Smithsonian Institution, where one scientist has had his career all but ruined over it.

The scientist is Richard Sternberg, a research associate at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History in Washington. The holder of two Ph.D.s in biology, Mr. Sternberg was until recently the managing editor of a nominally independent journal published at the museum, Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, where he exercised final editorial authority. The August issue included typical articles on taxonomical topics--e.g., on a new species of hermit crab. It also included an atypical article, "The Origin of Biological Information and the Higher Taxonomic Categories." Here was trouble.

The piece happened to be the first peer-reviewed article to appear in a technical biology journal laying out the evidential case for Intelligent Design. According to ID theory, certain features of living organisms--such as the miniature machines and complex circuits within cells--are better explained by an unspecified designing intelligence than by an undirected natural process like random mutation and natural selection.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110006220

[hawkaw]

What the hell does a mammal eating a dinosaur have to do with reconsidering evolution?

There are piles and piles of fossils out in the world that show interesting things. None have so far disproven the scientific theory of evolution. All, at this time, support it.

All you have provided me is a neet story on a different type of mammal.

[BrandtMichaels]

So simply b/c I ask a few more questions you draw wrong conclusions from my statements, change the subject and fit me for a tin-foil hat? Peace, love, dope...

[js1138]

How about the garden fairies? Has that been settled, or do we still need to suspend judgement? How about Piltdown Man?
How about Genesis? Shouldn't we have absolute proof of every single word in the Bible before committing ourselves to belief. What about other religions? Are you openminded about them? Do you give them equal consideration?

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Almost all Americans believe in TToE. Really?

[hershey]

Amazing.

[jec41]

The fact that putrescin is still present is evidence that these fossils *aren't* 'millions of years old', not evidence that there is some unknown condition that would preserve putrescin for 'millions of years'.

Actually it can be tested, is being tested, and will continue to be tested. Its as simple as taking a air sample, examining the matter that the oder is from and determining whether the odor is from the material of a cadaver or something other. Then you might question and explain the odor.

[mlc9852]

I am open-minded about religion. Which one did you have in mind? However, the Bible isn't about "religion", it's about God. But I know your stance and you know mine, so why continue with the discussion? We all know God isn't allowed in public schools so there is no point in arguing. People like you and the ACLU have made sure of that. Good job.

[js1138]

Do you accept all religions as having equal claims to validity and truth? Yes or no?

[Junior]

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[mlc9852]

All religions? I can't answer that because I don't know what "all religions" state. Maybe you can help me out here.

[From many - one.]

My rec time is sometimes very limited and always erratic. Mostly I use the page as a personal reference dump to pull out as needed.

I'm glad you found some useful info there, though.

[js1138]

Do you accept any religion as valid?

[From many - one.]

They're only synonyms if you use the Humpty Dumpty appraoch.

[Manic_Episode]

I'm with ya.

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