Designed to deceive: Creation can't hold up to rigors of science

CONTRA COSTA TIMES ^ | 12 February 2006 | John Glennon

[CarolinaGuitarman]

" Ta da!!

Again, it can't be falsified. There is no alternative hypotheis."

Um, no. Now you are changing the goalposts yet again. You asked for evidence that would go against the TOE, after lying by saying I claimed that there is no conceivable evidence that could go against the TOE. I provided this conceivable evidence. Now you are asking for absolute disproof, which, like absolute proof, doesn't happen in science. Right now, there is no scientific alternative to the TOE. Only a moron would take that to mean that no conceivable evidence could go against the theory. If you think that there IS an alternative that is scientific, place your cards on the table. Or stop trolling.

Not surprising, since you ORIGINALLY said that this article was full of falsehoods(canards) then failed to back that up, so you lied and said I made the above claim. For someone who thinks he is so smart, you aren't fooling anybody. :)

[RightWingNilla]

I am having fun.

Making an ignorant ass out of yourself is "fun" now?

You crazy kids!

[CarolinaGuitarman]

" It must be "Internet Day" at the asylum."

Hey now, don't forget, he's so much smarter than us. :)

[tallhappy]

Is there any other explanation for the ERV and shared pseudogene data other than common descent?

Yes, multiple events at different times.

Read the Nature articles on the chimp genome.

Multiple events are seen that are not always shared between common ancestors.

But still, you aren't addressing a positive finding that could falsifythe theory.

[tallhappy]

It is always interesting to see the actual ignorant not understand things.

Note you haven't pointed out any ignorant things I've said.

[RightWingNilla]

Hey now, don't forget, he's so much smarter than us. :)

He reminds me of a line from a movie:

"Now theres a guy who really cares. About what I have no idea!" - Rodney Dangerfield.

[RightWingNilla]

Yes, multiple events at different times.

So for example, you are positing that a deletion at the same exact position in the human, chimp and gorilla L-GLO genes occurred independently of each other?

[jennyp]

Also would seem that countless billions of experiments in farming on a yearly basis have largely solidified a fact that is noteworthy. Planting billions of kernels of corn will always produce ------- CORN. Amazing isn't it. Not green beans, oranges, apples, tomatoes or orangutans.. just corn.

Teosinte will never produce anything other than teosinte.

[stands2reason]

The earth is getting warmer, of that there is little doubt.

Now, did man cause it, and can he stop it? That is the crux of the matter.

[furball4paws]

If you don't stop I'm going to drop full havoc on your teosinte (I doubt he knows what it is, anyway).

[tallhappy]

you are positing that a deletion at the same exact position in the human, chimp and gorilla L-GLO genes occurred independently of each other?

I'm not sure what you are referring to by L-GLO, but the answer is no.

[RightWingNilla]

I'm not sure what you are referring to by L-GLO

The well documented vitamin C biosynthesis gene.

[tallhappy]

Please read this paragraph from the Chimp genome analysis to undertand your understanding is out of date.

It's more complicated than thought.

Three possible scenarios have been put forward to explain the 'excess' of segmental duplications within the human−ape lineage when compared to other genomes22, 23: frequent de novo duplication, a slow culling of duplications by deletion, and/or extensive gene conversion of ancient duplications11, 24, 25. Cross-species comparison of the chimpanzee-only duplications among humans and the great apes revealed that the majority (11 out of 17) of the duplications were restricted to the chimpanzee (multiple hybridization signals were not observed in human, gorilla or orang-utan; Supplementary Table S12). These probably emerged as a consequence of de novo segmental duplication after speciation. Six out of seventeen of the chimpanzee-only duplications, however, were also duplicated in the gorilla (and in one case orang-utan). We propose that these apparent duplications arose before the divergence of humans and great apes and have been subsequently deleted within the human lineage, although a small fraction of these (approx30%) are expected to be due to lineage-specific sorting in the ancestral chimpanzee−gorilla population26.

From Nature 437, 88-93 (1 September 2005) | doi: 10.1038/nature04000 A genome-wide comparison of recent chimpanzee and human segmental duplications

Ze Cheng1, Mario Ventura2, Xinwei She1, Philipp Khaitovich3, Tina Graves4, Kazutoyo Osoegawa5, Deanna Church6, Pieter DeJong5, Richard K. Wilson4, Svante Pääbo3, Mariano Rocchi2 and Evan E. Eichler1

You see, there are events wherein shared elements seem to be deleted. Not seeing something in all common ancestors excpet one would not discount common descent.

Also note the finding of elements specific to chimp in gorilla and orangutan.

[stands2reason]

Why is it so important for you that God be a part of science? Is your faith that weak?

[stands2reason]

Who said he was an authority? He's only being judged by his commentary.

[CodeToad]

"The earth is getting warmer, of that there is little doubt. "


There is? Where's the proof? Every article I have read is based on silly conclusions like "Gee, it's hot here in Miami..."

[longshadow]

Gibberish saved for future amusement...

Don't forget the time stamp, otherwise no one will believe you when you say how early in the morning he was posting while drunk.

[Dimensio]

Yet we're to believe that corn somehow might produce a stork tomorrow.

The theory of evolution predicts no such thing. You are a liar to make such a claim.

[stands2reason]

They reeally reeally want God to be allowed into the science club. THey seem to think science is bigger than God. I'm begining to think they love science more than they love God.

[Thatcherite]

They reeally reeally want God to be allowed into the science club. THey seem to think science is bigger than God. I'm begining to think they love science more than they love God.

Note that they often denigrate a scientific theory by referring to it as a religion. And they want their religious beliefs to be considered science.