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Designed to deceive: Creation can't hold up to rigors of science
CONTRA COSTA TIMES ^ | 12 February 2006 | John Glennon

Posted on 02/12/2006 10:32:27 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Dr. Eckleburg

LOL! That's beautiful, Dr. E!


1,961 posted on 02/17/2006 12:50:12 PM PST by AlbionGirl ("And I do love You. You Keep me Believing that You Love me too.")
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To: PatrickHenry

Brilliant.


1,962 posted on 02/17/2006 12:54:37 PM PST by Thatcherite (More abrasive blackguard than SeaLion or ModernMan)
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To: Thatcherite; jwalsh07; Dr. Eckleburg
Since I'm not on the list, I'll just note that I don't hate science and that you have failed miserably to offer anything that will falsify your hypothesis. ~~ jwalsh07

No, you only dislike scientific conclusions that upset your religious preconceptions. I'm quite sure that you are happy to select from those scientific conclusions that don't upset you emotionally and aver that "you love science". -- Thatcherite


You know what the funniest part of the above exchange is to me, Dr. Eckleburg?

The funny thing to me is, "jwalsh07" is not now, nor has ever been, a member of "our little group" of Hyper-Fundamentalist Calvinists.

A Christian, yes. Libertarian-leaning, yes.

But Walsh has never beholden himself to any of the diverse Fundamentalist Factions of the Religion Forum, and in fact has exchanged some hard words with me in the past concerning my "libertarian naivete" -- whether the subject is Abortion, Education, or my isolationist Foreign Policy, I seem to remember that Walsh prefers a sort of "Reaganesque-spirited Realism" to my own idealistic Absolutism.

AND YET... the Evolutionists are so utterly Stalinistic in defense of Evolutionism, as to lump a jaded and pragmatic Conservative like Walsh in with a bright-eyed Young Punk True-Believer like me. And just because he dares to question Evolutionism, at that. He never even proposed Abolishing all Publik Skools; he just asked a question.

Mind you, "jwalsh07" never signed on to our crusade. As far as I know, Walsh has never signed on to any of my Quixotic, rhetorical Internet Crusades.

He asked a question.

And THAT, in and of itself, was enough to make him the Enemy of the Evolutionists.

Personally, I think that's quite revealing... and bloody hilarious.

1,963 posted on 02/17/2006 12:56:10 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty - Luke 17:10)
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To: editor-surveyor

Al Pacino in THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE: "Vanity is definitely my favorite sin."


1,964 posted on 02/17/2006 12:57:01 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; jwalsh07

I made a mistake, misunderstood Walsh's views, and acknowledged my error. (If I didn't eat humble pie sufficiently then, I'll eat some more now).


1,965 posted on 02/17/2006 12:59:22 PM PST by Thatcherite (More abrasive blackguard than SeaLion or ModernMan)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Christianity and evolution cannot be harmonized. There is simply no way of doing it. And the stance from evos that the case is otherwise is largely made from a position of ignorance on the subject of Christianity. Most evos know soundbites about Christianity and danged little substance. To the extent that they feel themselves informed, it's because those informing them don't know scripture or don't take it seriously or both. But that's what happens when you seek to prove your case by using people presuming Christianity but not conforming to it. From point number one, evolution is in direct contention with Christian scripture. On every point thereafter, the same problem ocurrs - direct contention. The two are mutually exclusive.
And mutually exclusive things cannot be harmonized.

The attempt at harmonization by the evo crowd isn't an attempt at anything beyond making dissent and critical review go away.


1,966 posted on 02/17/2006 1:01:39 PM PST by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Appropriate.

This thread started out with all the class of the old 'pool poopie' threads, and has fulfilled it's promise.

1,967 posted on 02/17/2006 1:06:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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Signing off placemarker


1,968 posted on 02/17/2006 1:06:38 PM PST by Thatcherite (More abrasive blackguard than SeaLion or ModernMan)
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To: Thatcherite

1969.


1,969 posted on 02/17/2006 1:10:26 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Havoc

"Christianity and evolution cannot be harmonized. "

Says you.

EVEN IF THAT WERE TRUE, that wouldn't make evolution atheistic, it would just make Christianity wrong.


1,970 posted on 02/17/2006 1:11:09 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: RadioAstronomer

I have a grip. I simply tried to clarify what appeared very loudly to be a miscommunication between the two or an attempt to obfuscate.


1,971 posted on 02/17/2006 1:12:38 PM PST by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: VadeRetro

1,972 posted on 02/17/2006 1:12:59 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: zeeba neighba

Let's face it, you're a creationist. That means any opinion you have on anything to do with reality is likely to be about 180 degrees away from the truth. That goes for the Mirecki beating as well.


1,973 posted on 02/17/2006 1:15:03 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: editor-surveyor
As usual for this goon, he begins his rant with a blatant lie. Real scientists are about evenly divided on evolution

Indeed, that is a blatant lie, but it's not how he began his article. That's your lie.

1,974 posted on 02/17/2006 1:16:39 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: dread78645
I'll quote the catchy concluding paragraph of that article.

We have been looking for our designer in all the wrong places. It seems we owe our existence to viruses, the least of semiliving forms, and about the only thing they have in common with any sort of theological prime mover is their omnipresence and invisibility. Once again, viruses have altered the way that we view them and, by extension, ourselves. As it turns out, they are not the little breakaway shards of our biology—we are, of theirs.

1,975 posted on 02/17/2006 1:17:45 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Comments after showing.

"Well, that was really disgusting. Yes, truly vile. Let's watch it again so we can figure out just how disgusting it was....er, do you think they sell posters of the young guy?...just asking, no reason"

1,976 posted on 02/17/2006 1:20:15 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

You a Christian Reconstructionist ?


1,977 posted on 02/17/2006 1:22:54 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Doctor Stochastic
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1,978 posted on 02/17/2006 1:24:53 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Havoc; CarolinaGuitarman; xzins; Alamo-Girl
" Most evos know soundbites about Christianity and danged little substance. To the extent that they feel themselves informed, it's because those informing them don't know scripture or don't take it seriously or both. But that's what happens when you seek to prove your case by using people presuming Christianity but not conforming to it."

An excellent summation of how the blind lead the eyeless.

Carolina Guitarman:
"Science is not capable of examining the question of whether or not there is a God."

You can be forgiven for this grossly erroneous statement, due to the gaping hole in your education, but science has proven the existance of God by the soundest of principles:
The proponderance of the evidence.

The numeric evidence alone is so overwhelming that any who doubt God's existance certify their own incognition. Those denying statistical evidence cannot lay claim to the title scientist.

1,979 posted on 02/17/2006 1:26:03 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: editor-surveyor
Those denying statistical evidence cannot lay claim to the title scientist.

I'm reminded of a little fat bald guy yellling out from the bleachers at Nolan Ryan. "Hey Ryan, ya bum, learn to pitch"

1,980 posted on 02/17/2006 1:28:10 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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