Natalee Holloway Extended Discussion Thread 18

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11033149/

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Jan. 25th

Guests: Shawn Kinneps; Eric Suth; Joe Dwinell; Bob Edgar; Jason Christie; Michelle Kosinski; Jossy Mansur; John Q. Kelly; Vito Collucci; Victoria Thake

Excerpt...
RITA COSBY, HOST: ...But first, we begin tonight with new information in the Natalee Holloway investigation. LIVE AND DIRECT was the first to report just last week that Aruban police are following a new credible tip in the search for Natalee. Tonight, we know that this new information is linked to the questioning of Natalee‘s friends that is going on right here in the United States.

LIVE AND DIRECT right now is NBC‘s Michelle Kosinski in Natalee‘s home town of Mountain Brook, Alabama—Michelle.

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Rita. That‘s right, tonight, top Aruban police confirm that they do have new information in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, new information that now makes them feel strongly, they say, about the area of the lighthouse on the island as a potential burial site. And because of that, they say within the next week or two, they want to have a complete FBI cadaver dog team down there searching, along with Dutch investigators.

And we also know that within the next couple of weeks, volunteer searchers will be down to Aruba. They‘re going to be searching other areas, as well. And police say they have been getting a lot of new information in this case—surprisingly, since it has been eight months and there‘s been no sign of Natalee. They say they get about 100 tips a week, about 10 percent of which they characterize as “interesting.”

Now, some of that new information, not necessarily related to the lighthouse, is part of the reason why they are here in the States. In Alabama and surrounding states, they‘re going to be visiting several colleges where Natalee‘s school friends are now students. They were interviewed already, remember, by the FBI early on in this case, but Aruban police say, Hey, at that time, the investigators just didn‘t have the benefit of this new information. They won‘t give us too many details about it, but they say it could be significant to this case.

Here in Natalee‘s hometown of Mountain Brook, Alabama, it‘s very close-knit. People seem to know each other. Natalee‘s disappearance has left an emptiness. We talked to a mother of one of her friends who may be one of the ones reinterviewed. She says she has mixed feelings because on the one hand, it could very well help solve this case. But at the same time, it stirs up a lot of bad feelings after these kids have had such a hard year.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LISA ANDERSON, MOTHER OF NATALEE‘S FRIEND: I think if there‘s any way it‘s going to help Beth or closure, it will be great. I think it does stir the girls up a little more. They‘ve had time to settle down, but they do want closure. And they do—you know, anything that will help Beth because she has worked so hard to find her daughter.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KOSINSKI: The Arubans say they feel pretty good about this new information that they have gotten, and they feel it may potentially be significant in building a case against those three suspects that have since been released from jail. Back to you, Rita.

COSBY: And Michelle, do we have any idea how long they‘re going to be in the States, how long this period of questions is going to last with the students?

KOSINSKI: Oh, we‘ve been told by a couple sources about a week. And today, the FBI confirmed that they should be out of the States by Friday. And no one will give us a real number on how many students, but it‘s been said by certain authorities it would be about 20 of them. That‘s what Natalee‘s mom also told us. And it‘s a certain group of people, according to the Aruban police, although they wouldn‘t specify why they were singled out. They just want to talk to them more about that night she disappeared.

COSBY: Michelle, thanks so much. We appreciate it. Please keep us posted.

And we have also learned exclusively tonight what questions Aruban investigators are asking Natalee‘s friends. Take a look at this list that you will not see anywhere else. Investigators asked about Alabama students on the trip and what they were doing at Carlos and Charlie‘s—that‘s the bar—the night that Natalee disappeared. Aruban police also asked the students if they recognized a new list of Aruban names. In addition, investigators asked the students if they could describe some of the people at Carlos and Charlie‘s on May 30, that night. Investigators showed students photos of some of the people who were at the bar the night that Natalee disappeared to see if the students recognized those individuals, as well. And we‘re told that they were not Deepak, Satish or Joran.

Joining us now tonight to sort through some of this exclusive information is Jossy Mansur with Aruba‘s “Diario” newspaper, and also here with us is Holloway family attorney John Q. Kelly.

Jossy, let me start with you. What do you make of this line of questions? What do you think investigators going for?

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, “DIARIO”: I think that they selected the 20 candidates, more or less 20 candidates, when they went over all the questioning that the FBI had done of them. And these 20 gave some kind of declarations that they found interesting and they want to follow up on.

COSBY: Now, you understand there‘s something connecting the tip that we talked about on the show last week, Jossy, about the sand dunes, the lighthouse, tying to this. Walk us through again what that original tip was that led investigators to go back to the sand dunes, back to the lighthouse.

MANSUR: Well, in the last month, the police were very busy talking to many friends of Joran‘s that they found of interest. And one of them apparently gave them some very, very reliable information that they‘ve been acting on. That‘s why they‘ve been searching over at the dunes behind the lighthouse and also on the ocean, searching for a fish net.

COSBY: And how did this tipster get that information? Do we get a sense that he came forward or they went to him?

MANSUR: No, they went to him. They went to all of these friends of Joran‘s and talked to them, and they found quite a few answers that interested them. One of these witnesses specifically gave them information that they are acting on now.

COSBY: And that is—what your understanding is that‘s what‘s leading them also to question these girls—these boys and girls who were there at Carlos and Charlie‘s that night, correct?

MANSUR: Yes, because they found—when they read all these declarations that they gave to the FBI, they singled out these 20 or so candidates that (INAUDIBLE) thinks are of interest and are related to what this witness said.

COSBY: The other thing, too, Jossy, are they also looking at other nights, not just the night she went missing, but you told me right before the show that they‘re looking at, what, the Excelsior Hotel and maybe Holiday Inn some other nights?

MANSUR: Yes, they were looking at, for example, that—it‘s been known out there that the night before Natalee disappeared, she was seen, apparently, at the Excelsior casino and the Holiday Inn and that Joran was also present. And they‘re also very interested in finding out what the speculation is, what is fact in the getting into the car of Natalee that night, if she was forced or she went of her own volition.

COSBY: Jossy, stick with us. I want to bring in John. And John, let me put up again on the screen—these are the questions that we‘ve been told that are going to be focused on with these kids. Again, it‘s Alabama students and their actions on May 30. The students have been asked about new Aruban names that they may not have heard before. They‘ve been asked to describe people who may have been at Carlos and Charlie‘s the night that Natalee vanished. And they‘ve also been shown photos of people at the bar that night.

What do you make of this line of questioning?

JOHN Q. KELLY, NATALEE‘S FAMILY‘S ATTORNEY: It appears they‘re trying to eliminate other potential suspects, other than the three main suspects all along, Joran and the Kalpoe brothers. If they‘re giving descriptions, showing photographs or running names by these girls, I think it‘s to try to determine whether there was possibly anybody else that might have potentially been involved in Natalee‘s disappearance.

COSBY: Does it also look like maybe just eyewitnesses, or do you think it may be to the degree, John, that they‘re looking at other potential suspects?

KELLY: Well, I know they‘ve always indicated that they had to run every lead down and that, you know, we shouldn‘t always just be focused on the three young men, which I don‘t agree with. I mean, these are the three boys that took her in the car and were the last ones with her and admitted to it, and the conduct they engaged in.

But you know, I—Rita, I want to be very careful here. I‘m supportive of the Aruban government and their investigation. I‘m glad they‘re acting on certain things now. But you know, quite frankly, as two of months ago, they had already planned to search the sand dunes with the cadaver dogs. And as of a couple months ago or even longer, they were already going to interview the Mountain Brook girls.

And I just don‘t want raised expectations here. I don‘t necessarily like hearing that it‘s all new, fresh information that‘s leading to the lighthouse search or the questioning of the Mountain Brook people. These were planned long ago. And you know, I‘m a little bit skeptical. And we‘ve been on roller-coasters before, and I don‘t want raised expectations for the family, at this point.

COSBY: Oh, you bet. And who knows? And of course, we all pray that this would be resolved, but maybe we are just getting our hopes up. What about—what about also the search at the sand dunes? Because I understand, John, in the last few days, they have been—there has been some activity there, right? What are you hearing?

KELLY: Well, they went out there. This has been planned for a while.

They‘re using metal probes to push into the sand and turn the sand over. And once that‘s completed, they want to bring the cadaver dogs in right afterwards, while the sand has been freshly turned over. That way, even if they don‘t locate any objects or a body, the scent would be fresh on the surface there and the dogs might be able to pick it up.

COSBY: And do we have any idea when the dogs are going to arrive, John?

KELLY: I‘m expecting this within the next week. I even heard—I wasn‘t able to confirm this—that a couple days ago, they were even there with the police helicopter hovering right above the sand, trying to turn it over and churn it a little bit to sort of freshen up and release any potential scents or something that the dogs might be able to pick up.

COSBY: And Jossy, really quickly, I understand that Karin Janssen, the prosecutor in this case, has made sort of a pledge that she‘s going to releasing something by the end of the month? It‘s only a few days left.

MANSUR: Yes. No, she did make that statement. (INAUDIBLE) and we are aware of that. And she said that she has a lot of important information to release before the end of the month.

COSBY: What do you both think she believes with the suspects? Real quick.

MANSUR: What do I believe?

COSBY: Yes, do you believe she feels that they—they were released too soon?

MANSUR: I‘m sure she‘s convinced because she was very disappointed when they released all three of the suspects because she presented a very strong case to the judge.

COSBY: We‘ll be watching. Thank you, Jossy and John. Thank you very much.

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bkmk

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Looks deserted.

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Looks can be deceiving...

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very

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Coming up on Greta...says she's got some new info on the ALE's questioning of the MB students.

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Well, if no one is there then what else could it be?

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Beth on Greta 1/26/06

Any idea of how many of the 21 students the AlE have spoken to? No idea.

What kinds of question are being asked?
Heard from various people...parents, reporters...about the same as reported yesterday.

Series of photos shown to students to ID.

Aruban authories not letting them(Natalee's family) in the loop..but that's been that way all along...hope something good comes out of this.

Knows students have lots on their minds.

August was last time recieved any info out of Aruba officials directly. John Q Kelly has had some contact...glad she got him involved...wish it had been sooner.

He's not really getting any important info...cautions them to not get hopes up...too much roller coaster ride for family.

Might have been some truth to two new witnesses coming forward since ALE is now requesting FBI cadaver dogs to help search.

Legal Panel:

Jeff: Sounds like they're onto new suspects

Jim: Agrees...KJ said news coming at end of Jan...has some hope of possible charges of, perhaps, rape.

Ted: Can't put toothpaste back in tube again...messed up from beginning.

Bernie: If prosecutor I could not go to Beth and say this is over...without having answers.

Jeff: No rape proven...guys who rape don't admit to sex with someone coming in and out of consciousness.

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This Jeff guy is nuts!!!!!!
Joran likes to brag and that is why he admitted to having sex with Natalee while she was going in and out of consciousness...which is rape no matter how Jeff tries to slice it and dice it. Joran ain't slick enough to realize he was actually admitting rape as he bragged. I hope someone keeps a mic and camera trained on Joran non-stop. He'd bust himself given enough limelight. Joran loves the limelight and he loves to brag.

Some tidbits...Karin Jannsen had said she expects some "fireworks" by the end of this month. This is what Jim Hammer was referring to. Time is running out on this expectation as I check my calender. She is in NL right now. Rumor says Joran hasn't been seen for a couple of days in person or on his website. Speculation...KJ brings Joran back to Aruba in cuffs or she's just blowing more smoke our way and doing coverup work. Anyone care to place bets? LOL!

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Well, if no one is there then what else could it be?

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MAWG...wanna show this poster your tagline?

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My thoughts regarding the MB students - they want to see if they were drinking too much that maybe what they 'thought' they saw didn't really happened. Wonder if these students will have lawyers with them. The ones interviewed on TV 7 months ago will be a part of the 20. Wish they wouldn't give them any interview for I believe they will use it against them, the case. Much like they said things against Beth when she was helping them, they said she hindered the investigation.

The pictures they want the students to look at are a joke. Those in the photos may not have been in C&C's. Aruba can't be trusted and why the parents think this will help with an "Aruban" investigation is beyond me. They are merely looking to shift the blame.

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You may very well be correct about ALE's agenda. It fits with their proven track record. Remember how they brought a version of Beth's statement written in Dutch for her to sign? When she had it translated she found her statement had been grossly altered in the Dutch version.

The good news is...the FBI is supposed to be doing the questioning with ALE as observers. FBI will use ALE's questions. The interviews are being done in english. It will be difficult for ALE to pull the same stunt on the students as they did on Beth. That's not to say they won't try.

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Thanks, RGVTx

Maybe I am over reacting, I'm in my 'protective' mode!
It happens w/anthing Aruban - their speech, their written word, their thoughts, their actions, and, of course, ALE because they are all lies!

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Nothing wrong with being in 'protective mode'...ALE easily causes that reaction. Believe me, I've got my fingers crossed, hoping and praying that ALE can't pull any evil stunts on these kids. There should be enough safeguards in place to prevent it.

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That's what it appears to me to be. Aruba has been looking to pin this crime on ANYBODY but a Van der Sloot. THIS is precisely what they are trying to do. The biggest complication in this case since the first night is the fact that there was a Van der Sloot or two in the mix. They are desperately trying to "excise" that complication. They don't care if they pin it on some poor clue who has no way of fighting back. Paulus Van der Sloot picked the two security guards the very first night. I see through this flurry of blustering BS as clear as can be.

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this flurry of blustering BS



Exactly what it is. Well said, CO!

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There should be enough safeguards in place to prevent it.



Do you know if they have lawyers with them? They can spot a leading question, the FBI isn't there to protect them from being used. Why couldn't the FBI interview the perps and papa?

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I can't say for sure they have lawyers with them, but have heard that is likely. I certainly would and I imagine these kids and their parents have seen enough of the Aruban antics to know they had best safeguard the kids with lawyers.

The way I understand it, FBI does the questioning here while ALE observes. This is the same as in Aruba, ALE questioned and FBI observed. One difference though...the language used in the questioning. In Aruba, it was done in Dutch which put the FBI at a disadvantage. This time it's all in english and everyone involved understands the language.

The FBI may not be there to 'protect' the MB kids, but the FBI will certainly be able to prevent any further gross alterations of statements by Aruba. If Aruba plants false statements, the FBI will have the proof to nip that in the bud.

Don't misunderstand, I know it is Aruba's nature to lie and deceive. I just don't think they will be able to get away with it. This time is different with the FBI and ALE roles reversed.

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So are the MB kids REQUIRED to speak with ALE? Or is it completely voluntary? (Sorry if that's posted and I missed it)

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i believe its voluntary but all the kids are willing, and some may have attorneys present should they wish, but there really is no point within an FBI investigation...these are not interviews done with any of themselves as suspects, no matter what has been implied out of the carribean---they are eliminating potential additional possibilities (hmmmph, but let's turn every rock; so, okay) and searching for discrepancies and information within that testimony that may have been overlooked...and, of course, presenting to the world and the boycott at large that they actually have the illusion of movement within their own investigation, not much different than speeding off to some faraway island where she supossedly is off hiding and making little sloot babies

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i also note they have shortened what they are stating as a verbal itinerary in regards to how long these interviews will be conducted, which has become a nice week long vacation here in the states with only an hour or two of interviews per day, with hours upon hours left to discuss all the great, new info they will uncover...yeah, right, boys...maybe they will dance and sing and put on a show, too, while they are here