Posted on 01/14/2006 4:14:10 PM PST by wagglebee
"So do a lot of other behaviors - what do you propose to do about them? Cigarette smoking, eating too much sugar, obesity, lack of exercise..."
These are individual issues. Homosexuality is an unwanted blight to the rest of us. As is promiscuity.
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Really? How exactly have you been blighted with homosexuality? Were you raped?
And that encouragement changes their breast size and body scent as well as their behavior?
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Perhaps the problem is that there are many sexual predators who are homosexual and THAT's the element that needs to be isolated from our general society.
Promiscuity is an aspect of homosexuality as is also dismissal of age restrictions and even consent. It's a part of that narcissistic element in homosexuality that the research, this thread, identifies.
Exactly. Here's something I post occasionally:
That anyone would rely upon animals to 'teach humans' anything betrays its fundamental lack of any moorings, or for that matter, of much in the way of common sense. To see this, let us first remember what animals do.
Animals, among other 'criminal' activities:
None of these activities inform how we regard cannibalism, murder, gang rape, marriage, the rightful place of the sexes, or incest. What happens in the animal kingdom is irrelevant to what occurs in the human realm.
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Humans are different from animals in countless ways. Humans speak, write, have a sense of personal history and the history of their culture (and often of other cultures as well). They think about and plan for the future, have theories about what makes the world tick (e.g., believe in God, Evolution, or alien visitors), and devise schemes of how the world 'should be' (e.g., have legal systems and cultural ideals 'everyone is equal', only a man and a woman can be married,' etc.).
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Humans also change the world in innumerable ways (build roads, buildings, bridges, tunnels), and manipulate the earth for food and entertainment (e.g., horticulture, husbandry, planetary exploration). Animals, as near as we can determine, do none of these things. Even when they 'use tools' (like sticks or rocks), animals display only rudimentary skill at the enterprise. Source
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If we arbitrarily pick which animal behaviors to value, then any such study from which we get insights for human behavior is a complete waste of time.
The true cause of homosexuality is Prada shoes. In a study of 1000 men who wear Prada shoes, 98.5% of men were homosexuals, the other 1.5% were homosexual-wannabes otherwise know as metrosexuals.
No, it's "strong substantiation" FOR SHARED BEHAVIORS in "that family."
If biological research cannot even begin to find "a gay gene," mere observances by office workers about one another to include imaginings about the X-Files is not, not even approaching, substantiation for "that gay gene."
Over and over and over again I read this sort of flip, fanciful presumption about homosexuality, as if you can determine cellular chemistry by how someone fills out their required forms and types at their desk.
What you think you observe as an indication that "a gay gene" is present in "a family" is you noticing familial, learned behaviors. They carry on for generations upon generations, by the way.
That "conservativism" you describe is anarchy.
Society is a combination of humans all responsible for one another, to a very great degree. If everything everyone did was alright as long as they 'didn't hurt anyone else', then there'd be anarchy. Not everyone shares the cookie-cutter understanding as to what is tolerable and what is hurtful. Someone smuggling drugs is rewarding and lucrative and profitable (a "good thing") to them and theirs and yet if I don't know about it, does that "hurt" me?
Yes, yes it does. Same with sexual deviations to a great degree and insistences that abnormality be instructed as normalacy. These things harm societies, overall, alter living conditions in many aspects for everyone.
So, like myself....you are a male lesbian.
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Yes, Sweden does have such a case study. It's routinely suppressed by our media, largely demanded it be so by homosexual activists who decry the study itself.
I will see what I can find but I did read about it and the study itself a year (maybe two) ago somewhere, also created a great deal of nastiness by homosexuals when it was attempted to be discussed (elsewhere, not FR).
If I can locate anything, I'll include it here later.
There IS NO "GAY GENE."
Did you read these studies, this thread? Because, you're presenting potential discussion based upon your assumption that there is "a gay gene" and then you suggest other postulations to consider.
There IS NO "GAY GENE."
If and when you find one, there are a lot of people who would like to know about it so please make sure and include your research here when you locate that errant "gene."
Ask that family how they feel about Pope Benedict.
People find other human beings unacceptable (and some even "despise" others, you're right) all the time. Homosexuals have no room to wiggle in this area as victims of a judgemental world, given their adament hatred to and about so many others, other beliefs.
You've described learned behaviors among family group/s. A male child learning to chose submissive, "more feminine" behaviors almost certainly because he found some communicative and affectionate reward in doing so.
It's behavioral. As to social acceptance, the world of human behaviors can be a rough place. Most people are regarded well who regard others well, in my experience. But, regarding bad behaviors as being well and unacceptable conditions as being acceptable is a betrayal of personal ethics.
She was: She wasn't.
Good question. I was wondering that myself. If changing homosexual orientation to hetero is possible, then it should be possible to change pedophiles to "normal". I think it's been tried. Or maybe not using the same methods.
It may be an issue of the degree of dysfunction; maybe the environment or heredity or combination thereof, that creates a homosexual orientation is not as damaging as the one that creates pedophilia, therefore one may be changeable and the other not.
Totally icky subject, but a very important one. Sure would be good to have a bit more insight.
Here's the summary: THERE IS NO "GAY GENE" -- even biological and chemical researchers who identify with and/or support the "homosexual agenda" have not been successful in finding or identifying any "gene" or inherited, genetically conveyed cause of homosexuality, and various other physiological suggestions as substantiating an immutable characteristic about homosexuality have been disproven. However, what has been continually identified is a behavioral nature of homosexuality. That the enactment of homosexuality is learned, acquired and behavioral.
I simply disagree. If your activities don't affect me, then you should be free to engage in them without government interference.
If the mere fact that "sin" offends you, then that's your problem, and you shouldn't go crying to the government for redress.
Perhaps they are BEHAVIORALLY-preferring-alcohol rats.
Not everything that is compulsive in manifested behavior is and can be "genetic."
There is so little emphasis today given to personal responsibility -- acts of the will by individuals -- and so much, instead, suggested if not outright hoped to be "genetic." If it's "genetic" in cause, then there's no responsibility for the effect, right?
I've heard this sort of compulsive relativism from mostly homosexuals, and secondly from among people who smoke and/or drink and/or are addicted to narcotics (although all drug addicted do use the same general roundabout rationalizations -- they "can't help it," they were "born to do it," they otherwise have no choice in the behaviors they've, in fact, chosen, so there's no effort devoted to examining the behaviors as choices [to chose is to exercise freedom of choice; if you chose badly and recognize that, you can also chose well and decide to do so]).
There ARE physically inherited ("genetic") conditions and even some that manifest in mental and emotional disorders BUT, it's a fallacy to pursue "genetic" sources for all behaviors. Most sexuality is learned behavior, even the most monstrous often can be identified as being fostered by environmental conditions, some by injury to the brain, some by sheer chemical imbalance but most of our human behaviors are learned.
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