Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]

University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Post ^ | 17 December 2005 | Kayla Bunge

[Thatcherite]

It is amusing and instructive to work out the total requirement for water to flood from current sea-level to the peak of Everest. When I did this exercise on the back of an envelope I came up with the requirement being a sphere of water around 1200 miles in diameter.

[VadeRetro]

More importantly WHO created this "existing matter"

I did. Why do we need a "who" to create existing matter? What would such a Who be made of if not some kind of pre-existing matter? And where does that take you? What kind of explanation is that?

[VadeRetro]

Out of about 100 anti-Evos who participated in the poll, only two engaged in massive fraud. But the most disturbing part of the story is that the remainder of their fellow ant-Evos never condemned them for their fraudulent behavior after it was exposed, AFAIK.

The Holy Warrior thing. Witnessing is witnessing, even when it's bad behavior in public.

[peyton randolph]

Hatred based on ignorance isn't an evolved position, it is quite the opposite...You would attack Hovind for not knowing anything etc.

To reiterate, you (and Hovind for that matter) believe that dinosaurs co-existed with man, snakes can talk, virgins give birth, the dead can be resurrected, there is a supreme being who sits around with nothing better to do than answer the prayers of nitwits, or there was a guy who spent three years partying with twelve of his buddies but remained abstinent the whole time.

To coin a biblical phrase, perhaps you shouldn't be casting stones about other people being ignorant.

Speaking of which...let's get to the good stuff.

Draw Winky too?.

This pic enjoying quality time is priceless. A re-enactment of Adam feeding the dinosaurs? Based on the dress-up costume in the background, was this wild critter tamed with a Jedi light saber?

Perhaps there is enough humanity left in your "evolved" self to still experience shame for your actions.

What do you think?

 

BTW, Season's Greetings!

[Havoc]

So what. People will see closet monsters. Whether it actually be a monster or not is quite another thing. When one turns on the light, said evidences tend to disappear. There is no evidence precluding a global flood.

As for what people believe vs. what makes them "devout" that's quite another thing. Belief doesn't = truth. And blind faith is folly.

[Gumlegs]

Can you support your "opinion" with evidence? I can claim that George W. Bush is a crack dealer and it has as much weight as your "opinion" on Darwin unless you're willing to pony up some evidence.

Congratulations! You will soon be starring in Creationist Quote Salads everywhere!

[VadeRetro]

I am an ex-evolutionists turned Christian.

One of the funny things I've noted that happens with evolutionists when they turn creationist is they forget that there was ever any evidence for what they used to believe or even what it WAS that they used to believe. Their posts betray an invincible ignorance indistinguishable from those of people who have always been creationists.

That always struck me as odd. If you were familiar with the evidence for evolution and accepted it for some time, one might think you'd have a semiconvincing story about how you became unconvinced. And you should still remember a few things about why you used to accept evolution. You should know more than a Duane Gish strawman of evolution. "So one day, we are told, a snake gave birth to a bird. But where O where was there another little bird for it to mate with?"

[Stultis]

Then read the post to which I am responding...

Uh, yeah. That was my post. I still don't understand your response.

as for Piltdown...lots of hoaxes so little time.

Right. Piltdown was a hoax, not a "fraud". But there aren't "lots" of them. In fact I believe it's the only hominid fossil that was ever successfully hoaxed.

[Havoc]

Bluster and vacancy is all you offer. You don't know your subject. How many posts must we run through while you handwring and chase tangeants. You're an uninformed prejudiced hack.

[VadeRetro]

Sidenote: I've been known for great visions.

So was Timothy Leary.

[sirchtruth]

...but your history of ridiculing observed reality because you don't like it does not constitute an "argument".

It has nothing to do with liking it or not, it has to do with LYING about what the facts point too.

[Thatcherite]

There is no evidence precluding a global flood.

It is possible to make a number of predictions about what you'd expect to see in the rocks if there had been a global flood around 5000 years ago. Coyoteman is an archeologist who can date continuous settlements at the same sites back to well beyond that date. Those predictions don't come true. Also there is no genetic bottleneck dating back to that time, as would be required by the entire world ecology being saved on a boat. The number of alleles at many loci in the human genome is far too high for example to have come from 8 individuals that recently. That evidence alone falsifies any literal interpretation of the Noah story.

And blind faith is folly.

Agreed.

[VadeRetro]

Why do I feel this Darwin character plagiarized God's work - ie the Bible?

It should be trivial to find parallel passages if you're right. Is Seconday Sexual Characters of Man in the Old Testament or the New?

[sirchtruth]

The actual evidence that sustains the theory is what counts.

Yes, But that does not mean evolution is FACT, regardless of the scientific meaning of theory. Since science can not demonstrate this "theory" in action and as suggested in highschool textbooks, as many so-called facts have been proven to be bogus, agandized science can not parade evo as something that has or is happening.

The absolute absudity of a fish evolving into a man is not only ludicrous, it defies logic...especially when the scientific method is used to test the theory.

Reject the theory of evolution if you are comfortable rejecting the evidence that sustains it.

I only fully reject the conclusion of evolution based on the so-called evidence which agendized science says sustains the cult's beliefs.

[VadeRetro]

Apparently you are as ignorant about Spirit lake as you are about Hovind. "gullies in ash.." You're either ignorant of your subject or a liar. The vast mudflows in the aftermath of the eruption may have included ash; but, they were hardly 'ashflows' as you would profer in ignorance.

Ah! The irony!

Pyroclastic flows at Mt. St. Helens.

Go learn something and come back when you know what you're talking about. Don't waste our time pontificating from ignorance.

If you aren't Hovind, then he cloned himself or has a twin.

[Havoc]

One can make predictions; but, whether the predictions are of any use is quite another thing. The rest of your dialogue begs whether there is enough "time" nothing more. There is no time problem. There is only an unwillingness to accept facts on the evo side. A population of 8 can do a lot of damage in a short period of time. Any actual problems, or just handwringing?

[furball4paws]

I didn't subtract out the mountain ranges, but we're in the same ballpark.

[Thalos]

There is no evidence precluding a global flood.

A former creationist describes why he left creationism after he saw the evidence.

[VadeRetro]

Really clever people like Ichneumon and VadeRetro and physicist (I don't include myself at that intellectual level) spend their *whole lives* studying this stuff.

I *must be* pretty clever. I'm a would-be SF writer whose one published book is a western.

[peyton randolph]

You're an uninformed prejudiced hack.

Really? Hmmm. What Would Jesus Do?

I know. Time for a sanity quiz.

True/False   Dinosaurs co-existed with man

True/False   Snakes can talk

True/False   Virgins give birth

True/False    The dead can be resurrected

True/False    There is a supreme being who sits around with nothing better to do than answer the prayers of nitwits

True/False    There was a guy who spent three years partying with twelve of his buddies but remained abstinent the whole time

True/False    There are trees with magic fruit

True/False    An ancient civilization built a seven-story tower that frightened God

Take your time. Consult your Bible if necessary. This is an open-book quiz.