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Intelligent Design Might Be Meeting Its Maker
The New York Times ^ | December 4, 2005 | LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Posted on 12/03/2005 5:28:45 PM PST by Right Wing Professor

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To: Dimensio

"The theory of evolution has no political implications whatsoever."

Well, Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler obviously thought it did.

And if Karl Marx and Adold Hitler thought it did, then it obviously did -- unless you are prepared to argue that Karl Marx and Adold Hitler had no political impact on the world.

The tragedy of it is that Karl and Adolf were as wrong about the science as you are.

I repeat, your views share intersting company.


361 posted on 12/03/2005 10:33:55 PM PST by RussP
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To: phantomworker

Read: "Unauthorized Freud" by Frederick Crews


362 posted on 12/03/2005 10:34:11 PM PST by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: Dimensio

“Then why bring up the totally unrelated topic of atheism in a discussion of evolution?”

This question itself strays from the thread.

If we get too hung up on discussing the process of the discussion rather than the content of the discussion, we might waste unnecessary time and we might generate the appearance of trying to avoid arguments that we can’t win.

I still say atheism is nothing but a wish.

Intelligent design should be taught in schools. As I mentioned earlier, schools these days are full of junk topics and from this perspective to be so strongly opposed to including ID in the education of our children just doesn’t make sense. This debate is quite involved, it reaches through many levels of academic discourse. Again, it would elevate the quality of education.


363 posted on 12/03/2005 10:35:50 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Zarquawi’s death will be quite a blow—I advise the Democrats to be ready with a comeback strategy.)
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To: reasonisfaith
I still say atheism is nothing but a wish.

A wish for what? Asserting this, especially without details, has no meaning.

Intelligent design should be taught in schools. As I mentioned earlier, schools these days are full of junk topics

So because we teach junk topics already in schools, adding the junk topic of ID won't do any harm? Why not try go get the junk out of schools rather than add more in?
364 posted on 12/03/2005 10:38:48 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Senator Bedfellow; JudgemAll
Anne Dambricourt is a crackpot

I'm pretty sure that she's French.

365 posted on 12/03/2005 10:40:20 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ( the Wedge Document ... offers a message of hope for Muslims - Mustafa Akyol)
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To: Liberty Wins

Not sure I care to read that. I don't have time to read anything anymore. I have a 1000 page Libertarian book I told someone I would read along with Atlas Shrugged (who is John Galt, btw?). I am also supposed to be researching UAV's as we speak. When would I have time to read that!


366 posted on 12/03/2005 10:40:33 PM PST by phantomworker (We don't see things as they are, we see things as WE are.<==> Perception is everything.)
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To: phantomworker
"I don't think anyone is a Freudian anymore."

The 21st century is going to see a lot of the liberal icons come crashing down. I'm not accepting any more left-wing "experts" without checking things out personally. What the libs did to ruin art, architecture, music and the rest of our culture is unforgivable.

367 posted on 12/03/2005 10:41:10 PM PST by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: RussP
Well, Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler obviously thought it did.

How did Adolf Hitler's political system stem from biological evolution. Be specific in explaining how common descent through mutation and natural selection based upon environmental factors leads directly to the fascist government of Nazi Germany.

And if Karl Marx and Adold Hitler thought it did, then it obviously did -- unless you are prepared to argue that Karl Marx and Adold Hitler had no political impact on the world.

If I believe that Christianity gives me license to slaughter Jews and I do so, is that an indictment of me or of Christianity?

Are you even capable of understanding that it's possible to claim that a scientific theory supports a certain course of action when, in fact, the theory supports no such thing?

I repeat, your views share intersting company.

I hope you enjoy sharing company with Osama bin Laden.

Do you have a rational argument to offer, or is this bogus attempt at "guilt by association" your dishonest substitution for logic?
368 posted on 12/03/2005 10:41:40 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Senator Bedfellow; Liberty Wins

Senator Bedfellow says: "Jim Jones, the Taliban, al Qaeda, David Koresh, Sun Myung Moon, and the Nuwaubians all expressed a firm belief in creationism. How's that bed fit you?"

But you "forgot" to mention the names these guys, Senator Spinmeister:

Monday, October 24, 2005

'Intelligent design' supporters gather

About 700 scientists from Africa, Europe and the United States attended Saturday's "Darwin and Design" conference to press their contention that evolution cannot fully explain the origins of life or the emergence of highly complex species.

snippet from:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/printer2/index.asp?ploc=b&refer=http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1103ap_czech_intelligent_design.html


369 posted on 12/03/2005 10:42:06 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: Liberty Wins

That's probably a good idea. It's good to check things out personally instead of taking someone else's word for it.


370 posted on 12/03/2005 10:44:28 PM PST by phantomworker (We don't see things as they are, we see things as WE are.<==> Perception is everything.)
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To: RussP
I repeat, your views share intersting company.

"Providence withdrew its protection and our people fell… And in this hour we sink to our knees and beseech our almighty God that He may bless us, that He may give us the strength to carry on the struggle for the freedom, the future, the honor, and the peace of our people. So help us God."

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without religious foundation is built on air; consequently all character training and religion must be derived from faith…"

"We were convinced that the people need and require faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."

Know the author of these?

371 posted on 12/03/2005 10:46:50 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow (Sneering condescension.)
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To: Sun

Wassamatta? You don't like guilt-by-association? Maybe you should instruct your friends, eh?


372 posted on 12/03/2005 10:47:47 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow (Sneering condescension.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
I'm pretty sure that she's French.

Strike one on the crackpot count. :)

373 posted on 12/03/2005 10:48:28 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow (Sneering condescension.)
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To: Sun
About 700 scientists from Africa, Europe and the United States attended Saturday's "Darwin and Design" conference to press their contention that evolution cannot fully explain the origins of life

The theory of evolution does not purport to explain the origins of life. You've been told this before, but you're a liar so it's not surprising that you keep bringing up the issue as though you've never heard otherwise.
374 posted on 12/03/2005 10:50:02 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: All

Frankly, none of us can say how life started, because we weren't there.

But I want Intelligent Design as a field of inquiry to continue. This is only fair and just. If the theory produces nothing permanent, so be it.

Science is supposed to change; theories are corrected, extended, or sometimes even tossed out entirely as new information appears. To not do so would violate the scientific method.

Chances are that the evolution theory is doomed to be replaced by something else eventually anyway and not recognizing that is illogical.

Good night, all.


375 posted on 12/03/2005 10:50:07 PM PST by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: Liberty Wins
Chances are that the evolution theory is doomed to be replaced by something else eventually anyway and not recognizing that is illogical.

The Creationist lament. "We'll get you some day, evolution, just wait and see!"

Been going strong for 150 years. Oddly enough, so has evolution.
376 posted on 12/03/2005 10:52:16 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: phantomworker
1050 < 1720 for large values of 1
377 posted on 12/03/2005 10:54:11 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ( the Wedge Document ... offers a message of hope for Muslims - Mustafa Akyol)
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To: Liberty Wins

"If ID research"

What is ID research? Probing the mind of God? How? How, then, is ID, which involves supernatural, be examined using natural scientific techniques?


378 posted on 12/03/2005 10:55:48 PM PST by sagar
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To: Dimensio

I predict that someday the theory of gravity will be replaced by something, possibly by the theory that the earth sucks at the hand of an intelligent agent. "Intelligent suck" theory, perhaps.


379 posted on 12/03/2005 10:56:07 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow (Sneering condescension.)
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To: Dimensio
How did Adolf Hitler's political system stem from biological evolution. Be specific in explaining how common descent through mutation and natural selection based upon environmental factors leads directly to the fascist government of Nazi Germany.

OK, let me be very specific. By explaining human origins without the *need* for "God" or any other Intelligent Being, Darwin's theory paved the way for a godless government in which a particular man, Adolf Hitler, took on the role of God. if you couldn't figure that out for yourself, I doubt you can reason your way out of a wet paper bag.

If I believe that Christianity gives me license to slaughter Jews and I do so, is that an indictment of me or of Christianity?

If Christians were still doing that in the name of Christianity, and other Christians were not comdemning them, then yes, it obviously would be an indictment of Christianity. Oh, by the way, you better believe that Leftists and communists are *still* using the theory of evolution for their purposes. It could be considered their main "intellectual" weapon. Just listen to how they riducule anyone who dissents. And many even on the Right are falling for it, hook, line, and sinker.

I'll repeat it yet again: your views share interesting company. How does it feel to be on the side of Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler on the trivial little question of where the human race came from?

380 posted on 12/03/2005 10:56:22 PM PST by RussP
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