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In Bush Win, House Narrowly Approves CAFTA
Associated Press ^ | July 27, 2005 | JIM ABRAMS

Posted on 07/27/2005 9:14:44 PM PDT by RWR8189

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To: Toddsterpatriot

Chicago, that explains it then.


681 posted on 07/29/2005 3:23:09 PM PDT by My GOP
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To: My GOP
Yes, I know we've were losing manufactoring jobs before 2001. The major decline began in the early 1990s, after NAFTA was passed in 1993.

You say this but show no proof. Did we start to lose these jobs in 1994? 1995? 1996?

Be more specific.

682 posted on 07/29/2005 3:39:52 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: nopardons
"As I am HTML impaired, I never do links, so you're just out of luck. ;^)"

You don't do links because there aren't any supporting your claims. You lied about Bush supporting the Cornyn-Kyl immigration bill. Anyone who is reading this knows that Bush hasn't said he's favoring any bill yet. I highly doubt Bush will ever support the Cornyn-Kyl bill unless there are significant changes to it.
683 posted on 07/29/2005 3:40:13 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (PRESSURE BUSH TO CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: My GOP
Chicago, that explains it then.

Explains what? Why I prefer more trade to less? Lower tariffs to higher? What exactly does it explain?

684 posted on 07/29/2005 3:40:51 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
I don't do links because I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DOD THEM; it's as simple as that. And no, the HTML SANDBOX won't help me,because I don't have a mouse.

You're a lazy lout, who is calling me a liar, because YOU refuse to do your own scut work and don't read enough threads here.

685 posted on 07/29/2005 3:43:02 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
I'm calling you a liar because I read several articles here on Free Republic looking for what you said and there was nothing. If you can't post a link then copy and paste an article for me to read. I wish it was true but there isn't anything out there that makes me believe Bush is supporting the Cornyn-Kyl bill. Bush has said he wants an immigration bill but he hasn't given any hint of which one he will support. Speculation is he may find the Cornyn-Kyl bill to tough to support(As it is now) based on his past comments on immigration reform.
686 posted on 07/29/2005 3:58:05 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (PRESSURE BUSH TO CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

It explains that, being from Chicago, you don't understand the plight of the manufactoring community, particularly those that are losing their jobs. Please refer to the statement from Congressman Howard Coble.


687 posted on 07/29/2005 4:08:20 PM PDT by My GOP
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To: jeremiah

I don't think "open" borders is the right way to describe those who believe in free trade.

Open borders implies there is no control about what or who comes across a border.

Free trade is compatible with security checks for both goods and people coming across, and can designate certain goods and certain people as illegal for entry.

Open borders does not describe my position at all.


688 posted on 07/29/2005 4:10:54 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: My GOP
It explains that, being from Chicago, you don't understand the plight of the manufactoring community, particularly those that are losing their jobs.

Chicago hasn't lost any manufacturing jobs? Chicago recently lost a lot of candy manufacturing jobs because sugar quotas make American sugar 2 to 3 times as expensive as the world price.

689 posted on 07/29/2005 4:11:59 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: investigateworld
overhaul of the bankruptcy laws, that benefited only big lenders vs. Americans.

When "big lenders" have to mark up their goods and credit card and other interest rates to offset losses from bankruptcy filers, that means AMERICANS like you and me pay more for goods and services.

The only ones stung in a bankruptcy filing are not "big lenders." There are many small business owners and small retired landlords who get stung with uncollectable bills.

And since when is it good for Americans to not learn to be careful with their borrowing, especially the free for fall use of credit cards? Responsibility and accountability are not good values for Americans???

690 posted on 07/29/2005 4:17:46 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The majority of NC's economy relies on manufactoring, Chicago's does not. My friends and neighbors will feel many more negative effects than yours will. Those candy manufactoring jobs could have been saved by some protective sugar tariffs. Sugar farmers would have appreciated them too.


691 posted on 07/29/2005 4:18:15 PM PDT by My GOP
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To: Toddsterpatriot
See what happens when you divulge personal information to protectionists? You give them a twig, and they think it's a stick. "Being from Chicago . . . ." LOL
Perhaps they should visit the Loop on a weekday. Maybe we could take them to the Merc Exchange, or even the Board of Trade? [hoot]
692 posted on 07/29/2005 4:24:18 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

You should be beat with a stick for wanting to throw many Americans out of work just so you can save a couple of dollars. I'll pay a couple of dollars more so people can have jobs. If you worked in a textile mill here in NC and CAFTA was going to threat your job, I bet you would think differently.


693 posted on 07/29/2005 4:28:51 PM PDT by My GOP
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To: 1rudeboy

Maybe you should come to NC and I can let you talk to some furniture and textile workers who have lost their jobs or those whose jobs are in jeopardy. I can give you a tour of empty manufactoring plants that have been shut down. Maybe here in NC you can also get a taste of what its like to live as a blue collar working class person. What political party runs Chicago again?


694 posted on 07/29/2005 4:39:42 PM PDT by My GOP
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To: My GOP
Being from North Carolina, maybe you didn't know that North Carolina dwarfs Illinois in merchandise exports to the CAFTA-DR region, racking-up $1.7 billion dollars' worth of merchandise exports in 2004? Being from North Carolina, maybe you don't know that Caterpillar Corp. is located in Illinois? It manufactures heavy machinery, and exports a pile of it. Maybe you also, being from North Carolina, didn't know that 50% of the soybeans grown in Illinois are exported? What are those thingies called again, farms? Heck, being from North Carolina, what do you know?
695 posted on 07/29/2005 4:49:00 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: My GOP
I'll pay a couple of dollars more so people can have jobs.

Yeah, with OPM. (A term we use a lot in Chicago).

696 posted on 07/29/2005 4:51:00 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: My GOP
North Carolina’s top manufactured export to the CAFTA-DR group is fabrics: in 2004, the state exported fabrics valued at $361 million. North Carolina’s other four leading exports to the CAFTA-DR area in 2004 were apparel ($347 million); fibers, yarns, and threads ($324 million); knit apparel ($189 million); and apparel accessories ($106 million).

CAFTA-DR provides regional garment-makers—and their U.S. suppliers of fabric and yarn—a critical advantage in competing with Asia. Garments made in the region will be duty-free and quota-free under the agreement only if they use U.S. fabric and yarn, thereby supporting U.S. exports and jobs. Textile and garment factories in Central America and the Dominican Republic purchase large amounts of fabric and yarn from the United States: the region is the second-largest world market for these U.S. products.

Source (.pdf file)


697 posted on 07/29/2005 4:57:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Now we are going to be exported millions of jobs too!! Please refer to Congressman Howard Coble's remarks. He's a Congressman. I know alot myself. I just graduated from Wake Forest University with a degree in Political Science. I'm sorry you want to starve people to save a couple of bucks.


698 posted on 07/29/2005 4:57:46 PM PDT by My GOP
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To: My GOP

The feeling is mutual. I'm sorry that you want to starve people to save a couple jobs.


699 posted on 07/29/2005 5:05:25 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: My GOP
The majority of NC's economy relies on manufactoring

Source?

Those candy manufactoring jobs could have been saved by some protective sugar tariffs.

Actually these jobs were destroyed by sugar tariffs. The tariffs raised the cost of manufacturing here. So they moved.

Sugar farmers would have appreciated them too.

These sugar farmers are charging double or triple the world price of sugar. And only 300,000,000 million Americans are being overcharged.

700 posted on 07/29/2005 5:23:49 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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