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Is Linux For Losers?
Forbes.com ^ | 06.16.05 | Dan Lyons

Posted on 06/19/2005 6:41:20 AM PDT by Willie Green

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To: MarkL
You're right, found it:
http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/eval.html
Of course now I'll be accused of being a communist red Chinese collaborator.
41 posted on 06/19/2005 2:28:10 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx
Then what, sales of Netware are almost non-existent.

Nope, sales of Netware are probably bringing in 20+ times what any sales of Linux are bringing in. No wonder, you yourself are looking for a free download, right?

Last dog and pony show I was at from Novell said they had enough money on hand to last several years at their current burn rate.

They do have lots of cash, mostly thanks to lawsuits against Microsoft. Doesn't mean they're going to throw that all away if Linux isn't a viable business model.

I thought you were Mr. buy American? You want Novell to go out of business because they sell Linux?

I don't want them to go out of business, what I want to happen is what Jack Messman the CEO said might happen - for them to declare Linux as a non-viable business. They could be getting close, based on his recent conference call after reporting their latest loss.

42 posted on 06/19/2005 2:35:33 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Lx
eval.html

Sounds like a time bomb.

43 posted on 06/19/2005 2:36:08 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Lx

Here's a recent report:

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2005/06/06/story4.html?from_rss=1

Total Novell revenue, $297 million.

Total Linux revenue, $8 million.

Net result, $16 million loss.


44 posted on 06/19/2005 2:50:45 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Lx

Or even worse -- Amish.


45 posted on 06/19/2005 2:57:26 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Willie Green
"It's terrible," De Raadt says. "Everyone is using it, and they don't realize how bad it is. And the Linux people will just stick with it and add to it rather than stepping back and saying, 'This is garbage and we should fix it.'"

I wonder if he owns any MSFT stocks or he is about to recommend some new OS in which he's invested serious resources.

46 posted on 06/19/2005 2:58:14 PM PDT by Quinotto (On matters of style,swim with the current,on matters of principle stand like a rock-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Golden Eagle
Nope, sales of Netware are probably bringing in 20+ times what any sales of Linux are bringing in. No wonder, you yourself are looking for a free download, right?

Which is saying what, not much. How many companies are actually looking at Netware VS Windows? Probably only companies that already have Netware. Just this last three weeks I was contacted by three companies that want to migrate from Netware to Microsoft Windows 2003.

So what happens if they declare Linux non-viable? They don't exactly have a lot of products to sell.

47 posted on 06/19/2005 2:58:30 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Quinotto
I wonder if he owns any MSFT stocks or he is about to recommend some new OS in which he's invested serious resources.

Why would he do that? He has his own O/S already.

48 posted on 06/19/2005 3:03:57 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Lx
So what happens if they declare Linux non-viable? They don't exactly have a lot of products to sell.

Such is life when free software comes to town. All the minor players will probably be destroyed before it's over.

49 posted on 06/19/2005 3:07:38 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: TheGeezer
I don't use Linux anywhere, but as a DBA and CNA I am under the impression that Linux is very stable and is great for hosting databases.

Yes, that is definitely one of its strong points and it is extremely popular for large-scale enterprise database systems. Linux scales well to very large hardware, has strong support for high-performance and scalable filesystems (XFS,LVM2,etc), and is well-supported by the vendors of the kind of hardware you use for large enterprise databases.

For big Oracle or Postgres installations, Linux will stay up and perform very well for as long as the hardware does. I've never had Linux fail on database servers, and many of the ones I deal with have been operating non-stop for a couple years. Solaris is another good OS choice for a database server, but it has fallen out of favor because Sparc hardware is a performance dog.

50 posted on 06/19/2005 3:15:22 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Willie Green

"Linux people do what they do because they hate Microsoft. We do what we do because we love Unix," De Raadt says.

This guy has got at least one thing exactly right.


51 posted on 06/19/2005 3:16:09 PM PDT by Poser (Joining Belly Girl in the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Golden Eagle
That explains it then...he wants Linux out of the picture so he badmouths it like a little kid!
52 posted on 06/19/2005 3:24:38 PM PDT by Quinotto (On matters of style,swim with the current,on matters of principle stand like a rock-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Quinotto

I see no need for it either. It's just a foreign fake of what we already had here in America well before it ever arrived.


53 posted on 06/19/2005 3:27:58 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Willie Green

OpenBSD is a great niche product: it does not run on newer hardware as well as FreeBSD or linux. FreeBSD also tends to trail linux when it comes to driver availablity.

Use what works for you.


54 posted on 06/19/2005 3:34:18 PM PDT by Salo
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To: Golden Eagle

What? free software didn't lead to Novell's downfall and you know it. Novell sat fat and happy with their over 80% market share while Microsoft slowly evolved NT into the great product it is today.
Novell arrogantly kept using IPX while the world went IP. Sure, you could use IP for Netware but who wanted to have a DSS farm? By the time NCP talked natively over IP, it was way too late.
Let's not even talk about multi processor support. Novell did Novell in.


55 posted on 06/19/2005 3:40:24 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Salo
Use what works for you.

Unless that's Microsoft, like 70% of us buy on our new servers, right? Then you're apparently deserving of unending scorn and ridicule.

56 posted on 06/19/2005 3:42:58 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Lx
Novell did Novell in.

Novell hurt itself, but Netware is still bringing in good money, much more than Suse Linux is bringing in for them. Shouldn't be surprising, since the stated goal of open source is to "commoditize" the O/S market, and push proprietary vendors "up the stack". Novell better move up the stack unless they think they can compete on O/S terms with Linux, like Unix and Windows will continue to do.

57 posted on 06/19/2005 3:46:44 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

Nope - MS Servers have their place. If they do what you want for the best price, use them.


58 posted on 06/19/2005 3:56:11 PM PDT by Salo
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To: Salo
MS Servers have their place. If they do what you want for the best price, use them.

That's a far cry from your usual smears. Will it last till the next thread I wonder.

59 posted on 06/19/2005 4:05:55 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
No - I use everything. Netware, Linux, Windows, *BSD, AIX, OSX. I don't limit myself to any one OS and don't think doing so is very smart.

I refrain from referring people as unpatriotic for using linux (hint hint) and *try* not to take pleasure when an OS has a problem.

Using linux does not make you a communist thief anymore than using an Apple makes you a homosexual or using Windows makes you a patriot.
60 posted on 06/19/2005 4:18:03 PM PDT by Salo
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