Posted on 04/28/2005 12:03:24 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
Yikes. Sorry, but that sounds exactly like how a lost person would approach the situation. Because of Christ, we are not to be of the world, just in it.
If you love someone, you commit to him in every way. You learn together.
We do not live in a Utopia World, we live in a world full of problems....Many people that do not want to get married are not less valuable human beings and love no less because they don't want a legal marraige...
Pod people--it's like they have had personalityectomies. I'm scared of becoming a better Christian because I'm afraid that I will lose the ability to enjoy anything but scripture and self-denial.
They scare me....
LOL! Yeah, there are a bunch of those. But heh, I have a deep love of theology, and pray often. I also like the taste of Jack Daniels and the smell of burnt gunpowder drifting out of barrel.
Being a Christian doesn't mean you have to be the lump on the wall. You can have a pretty kick but time at it.
There are those, and then there was my former pastor, who at the age of 65 participated in a skit during a Singing Christmas tree performance dressed up as Elvis and rode his Harley into the sanctuary. He was a fablulous preacher, well gronded in Biblical principles. Too many down-in-the-mouth Chrisatians seem to not heed God's desire that his children live an abundant life.
Agreed. I miss Rev. Gene Scott.
I agree that lusting and sexual promiscuity,fornication can be idolitry,or worshiping a false god. If this iniquity is a stronghold for someone,and the church screams to you that it's wrong, along with your guiltyness, and yet you repent over and over as if you were somehow addicted to it and you are truly seeking help,then how does one overcome this? Let's get real,one persons'iniquity is not the same as everyone elses.The bible says," there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,and that the righteous man falls seven times,but the Lord always picks him back up,for no one is righteous,no not one."In fact you might even argue to say that the simple act of faith as the story of Abraham was counted to him as righteousness by God Himself. Then can one believe and have faith for all things, even believing to sever the stronghold of sexual sin? Perhaps this won't happen over night, but the truth is,one can believe, and "seek after righteousness and they shall be filled." Even so,the bible goes on to say "that no man chose God,but God chose man."
God has made arrangements for dealing with the problem of which you speak.
John 20:21-23. Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
Origen, Homilies on Leviticus, A.D. 244. ...hear how many are the kinds of forgiveness of sins in the Gospels....
...the remission of sins through penance, when the sinner ... does not shrink from declaring his sins to a priest of the Lord and from seeking medicine...
Hear the rule which the Law enjoins: "If someone of the aforementioned shall have sinned," it says, (Lev. 5:5) "he shall confess the sin which he has sinned." There is something wonderful hidden in this, whereby confession of sins is commanded.
Lucius Lactantius (convert from paganism about 303 A.D., Latin rhetorician) The Divine Institutions, A.D. 304-310. It is, therefore, the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth; this, the domicile of faith; this, the temple of God. ... Because, however, all the various groups of heretics are confident that they are the Christians, and think that theirs is the Catholic Church, let it be known: that is the true Church, in which there is confession and penance, and which takes a salubrious care of the sins and wounds to which the weak flesh is subject.
I guess you never heard of the soul. Every urge of the body can be transcended by souls who are united with God in love. And this is accepted in every religious tradition, not just Christianity.
Actually, sex desire is a dull/perverted reflection of the soul's desire to love God. Union with God in loving surrender is a bigger rush than sex. Even just a hint is better than sex.
I thought you could you confess your sins to one another. I agree with the scriptures. I just don't think we should call any man Father because we have one Father in Heaven. I do want to thank you for putting up the scriptures. I love the Lord without the stipulations of religeon but rather the freedom I have through Jesus Christ.worshiping Him is my faith, along with repentance and sensitivety to not grieving the Holy Spirit while daily gaining knowledge and excersizing faith in action.
True that! As one who onced lived in this trap of fornication I remember how hard it was for me. Yet when the Holy Spirit fell upon me His presence was out of this world! Just awesome! Who'd have ever thought? Little did I know or ever expect to experience such great presence and overwhelmingly sensational light of God.His bright glory and Burstful yet gentle Spirit took the desires away in an instance and immediately replaced those desires with a desire and greatfulness, fire and Holy passion for Him. And I was not missing anything.
"You have in Christ ten thousand teachers, but not many fathers, because in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through announcing the gospel. Therefore I exhort you to become imitators of me" (1 Cor. 4:15).
"I wrote this book because sex and chastity have been such huge issues in my own life, and I didn’t feel that any of the books that people were giving me, or any of the seminars that I was attending, were quite fitting the bill".
Couldn't she just talk to her mother? Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh!
In my experience as a woman (not that I've ever been a man), I've found that any man who has not had sexual experience before the age of 30 tends to be damaged goods.
Case in point:
Dated 35 year old man who admitted to being virgin til age of 31 (Actually, he lied about his age. He was really 39)
He lived at home, with parents at said age of 39 (after I got the truth out of him).
Met me. Discovered my computer. Discovered the joy of internet swinger porn. Crashed my computer when I found him out. Then he went to 10:15 mass.
Case in point 2:
Briefly dated a 35 year old who was a virgin. At the age of 37 he is STILL a virgin. I am getting married in a week. He is still calling me and asking my opinion about what to do about his "condition". Referred him to numerous books on the subject.
Both men were damaged goods in my opinion.
I am not a virgin. My fiancee is not a virgin. We do not fight, over money, sex or anything. We do not throw our previous sexual experiences in each other's face nor do we cringe at hearing an old flame's name. In fact, I still have old boyfriends over for dinner occasionally.
We are not "unconventional". We do not have children out of wedlock. We do not have STD's. We both have jobs (actually, 2 each between us). While we do not live for sex, we both agree that celibacy til the big day would be not be for us.
I can't imagine marrying someone I have not had the opportunity to "test drive". Sex is part of life. And just as everyone has their own style of writing, driving, talking, etc., we all have our own unique sexual style. I would hate to get married to someone who, upon consummating the wedding act, does NOTHING for me.
Are you saying that the first virgin guy who lived with his Mom and discovered the joy of porn through your computer was damaged goods? Because I think that he already had curiosity and access to porn before he even met you. He crashed your computer because you found him out and in my opinion he felt pissed because his "virginous" cover was blown. Just the fact that he lived with his mother seems like a no no to me, virgin or no virgin. If you were to have children, would he have truly been able to financially , and mentally take care of them anyway? Let's not even get into his ability to perform.Some guys especially 35 year olds who still live at home try to run and play game by using thier "inner" beauty to attract flies to thier web because they're hungry, a.k.a desperate for some woman to think that they are great because they truly don't feel great about themselves. When they lie, it's because they think they have control over what another thinks or sees them as and when they are busted they freak out because they no longer have control over what that other person thinks of them anymore.He never believed you would love him for him anyway so he pretended to be a"virgin", and virgins have the rap of being sexually pure. No one expects a virgin to watch porn because they obviously have exhibited self control. That's not true of all virgins. There's plenty more reasons combined with just this one. The bible says that people lie to those they hate. He probably unawaringly hated you because he didn't think that you could truly love him despite his flaws anyway. You didn't meet someone who was a loser because they were bad in bed, you met a lier! Are you afraid that the 37 year old virgin is going to turn out like the innocent little swinger? Not every virgin is the same but every lier is the same.The wait till you get married thing is the personal relationship that each of us have with God. Will we be faithful to God in our bodies, is the question. Better yet can we? If we can , then how? If we can't then what? Do we throw out or try to justify by saying I can't imagine not being sexually satisfied? Or do we say, I can't imagine choosing not to be be faithful and obedient to God over a bodily desire? The Lord says that the flesh is in constant war with the spirit. That tells us that sometimes our bodies desires win a battle and sometimes when we deny our flesh through the gentle spirit of God then the spirit wins. Make yourself a goal to side with God and know that the spirit has won the entire war already. Not by might and not by power but by My Spirit, says The Lord.The spirit of the Lord will come to your aid when you need comfort for knowingly fornicating with or without justifications. You're not condemned but it's great to repent and ask God for forgiveness and of course seek after righteousness. By doing so then the bible says that you shall be filled with righteousness. No, it isn't biblical to have sex with someone that you are GOING to marry. Yet since you can't control yourselves then get married so that your body will be spared from judgement. There is no denying that bad sex is aweful. It is. Even the best married lovers are not always faithful lovers. It's all in the way our minds think about sex. Men, I've heard are visual and so on.. I wish true christian men could pin point what would make them a better lover with thier spouse. Sometimes it's like where is the passion? Maybe we should start a thread asking Christian men what it is that they truly need in order to be better lovers? It might be like pulling teeth, considering that men (generally speaking) have fragile egos.
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