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MANIFESTO OF THE WPPFF/WILD TURKEYS/COALITION OF THE SANE
Me. | 29MARCH05 | Long Cut

Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut

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To: Indy Pendance

My husband took me to Death Valley Saturday, I could not believe all the flowers there. Nothing but yellow all over. Poor man had to keep stopping so I could take pictures of the different flowers. I wouldn't have missed it for the world.


661 posted on 03/29/2005 1:42:31 PM PST by highlandbreeze
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To: Long Cut

Hallelujah! I was going to bid FR goodbye after all the Terri insanity on here. Glad to know there are some still intact with reason and logic. Keep me on the ping list!


662 posted on 03/29/2005 1:43:11 PM PST by sonserae
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To: vikzilla

"Add me to the WPPFF."

Another Whiny Progressive in a Perpetual Fugue of Foolishness? Welcome aboard sir!


663 posted on 03/29/2005 1:43:46 PM PST by Stakka Skynet ("Actors are cattle." -Alfred Hitchcock)
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To: MineralMan

Nannyism isn't what's wanted. Preventing people from putting down the helpless is what is wanted. Please contribute what you can to coming up with a better solution.


664 posted on 03/29/2005 1:43:46 PM PST by thoughtomator (Order "Judges Gone Wild!" Only $19.95 have your credit card handy!)
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To: Peach

I've seen a few bloggers report it, plus Boortz. But I've not seen an exact quote in print.


665 posted on 03/29/2005 1:43:59 PM PST by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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To: thoughtomator

"Nannyism isn't what's wanted. Preventing people from putting down the helpless is what is wanted. Please contribute what you can to coming up with a better solution."

I like living wills just fine. That's why both my wife and I have them. You said you thought they should be abolished. I disagree.

For you to tell me that my living will should not be honored is nannyism at its worst. Go deal with your own stuff. Leave my decisions to me, OK?


666 posted on 03/29/2005 1:45:46 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Stakka Skynet
"If a FReeper finds this an acceptable means to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed."

Thanks for bumping the thread.

667 posted on 03/29/2005 1:45:51 PM PST by Long Cut (WPPFF Member.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Thoughtamator-I guess then my position will have to be that the Florida Statute 765 which authorizes this passive starvation - even with the consent of the patient - is unconstitutional because it cannot be compatible with the right to life.

KAC - If you want to be a more effective advocate, you should be arguing how it is bad legislation, why it shouldn't be a piece of legislation, and how it can be abused, rather than taking a stance that it is illegal to do something that it is legal to do.

These two arguments are the bottom line of this issue. Do you have to support law you find to be immoral?

I know people that do not support the use of their tax dollars and the reputation of the United States for the death of innocents. But your money and good name are being spent right now on just such an endeavor.

In Iraq.

Is the intent to kill innocent people? Not at all. It's a side effect of an otherwise important and necessary cause. But it does happen, because it's a human endeavor, and those are never perfect.

We expect liberals and moderates who oppose a war who they find immoral and wrong to do so in a legal manner. Tens of millions of Americans are appalled that their tax dollars are being spent on bullets that end innocent life. But we tell them 'You had your chance, and your candidate lost'. Now we expect to be able to pull out the 'moral high card' and break the law ourselves? How is that fair?

We have elections, legislators make law, and the courts enforce it. It's not a perfect system, and people do suffer injustice until bad laws are fixed. But they will be fixed. We must keep in mind, though, that it does us no good to change the laws if we become a lawless people.

668 posted on 03/29/2005 1:46:48 PM PST by Steel Wolf (Try new Free Republic Lite! - Lite on reason, but with 1000% more hyperbole!)
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To: All

I note that I have post 666 in this thread. Surely that has some significance, right? I mean, really....


669 posted on 03/29/2005 1:47:09 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Peach
I have looked and looked and I can't find Randall Terry's comments the other day about how this case was "owed" them (the pro life movement) and some scary stuff comments about a theocracy.

Randall Terry, on America:

"Let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.... If a Christian voted for Clinton, he sinned against God. It's that simple.... Our goal is a Christian Nation... we have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want Pluralism. We want theocracy. Theocracy means God rules. I've got a hot flash. God rules." The News Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, Aug 15, 1993

670 posted on 03/29/2005 1:47:19 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Sure you can trust the government... just ask an Indian...)
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To: MineralMan

Got a better idea?


671 posted on 03/29/2005 1:48:04 PM PST by thoughtomator (Order "Judges Gone Wild!" Only $19.95 have your credit card handy!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

The ugly face of a movement. Thanks for the quote, Chad.


672 posted on 03/29/2005 1:48:21 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Long Cut

Thanks for feeding my ego.


673 posted on 03/29/2005 1:48:27 PM PST by Stakka Skynet ("Actors are cattle." -Alfred Hitchcock)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

And now we have Randall Terry and the good Rev. Jesse Jackson on the same side in this Terri affair. Strange bedfellows, indeed. I would enjoy sitting in on a meeting between those two...


674 posted on 03/29/2005 1:48:46 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: thoughtomator

Ping to 668. I quoted you, then accidentally posted it before adding your name.


675 posted on 03/29/2005 1:49:50 PM PST by Steel Wolf (Try new Free Republic Lite! - Lite on reason, but with 1000% more hyperbole!)
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To: lugsoul; Peach

"I promise you that if she dies, there's going to be hell to pay with pro-life, pro-family Republicans... who have used pro-life, pro-family conservative rhetoric to get into power, and then when they get into power, refuse to use it," Terry said.


676 posted on 03/29/2005 1:50:06 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Sure you can trust the government... just ask an Indian...)
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To: thoughtomator

"Got a better idea?"

You bet. My idea is that you keep your nose out of my affairs...completely. Same goes for the government. The moment you come in saying that Living Wills should be abolished, you take my choices from me. I don't tolerate that, you see.

I don't have to have a better idea. I have a Living Will, executed under the laws of the State of Minnesota, and in a form that will be legal there.

My idea is that you butt out of my decisions. How's that?


677 posted on 03/29/2005 1:50:54 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Like I said...
he's crackerpuppies.


678 posted on 03/29/2005 1:51:30 PM PST by najida (I wish I had Tina Turner's legs, Ann Coulter's brains and Paris Hilton's credit cards.)
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To: Steel Wolf

The American way is to work to fix broken laws, protest some to draw attention, but try avoid chaos.

Sometimes we don't realize how bad some laws are until they are put to use in ways we think are immoral if legal. When that happens, it's back to the drawing board.

Nice thing about our system.

It'll never be perfect, but it does give us a chance to do the right thing as we see it.


679 posted on 03/29/2005 1:52:06 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Chad Fairbanks; lugsoul

Excellent! I'm saving that one too. Thanks so much, Chad.

On Saturday night Mort Kondracke cracked me up.

He said "Maureen Dowd is to the left what Randall Terry is to the right". LOL


680 posted on 03/29/2005 1:53:41 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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