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MANIFESTO OF THE WPPFF/WILD TURKEYS/COALITION OF THE SANE
Me. | 29MARCH05 | Long Cut

Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut

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To: yellowdoghunter
Do you think God thought she died 15 years ago?

Don't know. If a Judeo-Christian god does exist, I do not have enough hubris to attempt to speak for him.

4,901 posted on 04/06/2005 1:48:08 PM PDT by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: malakhi

The 11th circuit did have a split, with one judge siding in favor of a new review, trial, or what-have-you. So, like I said, judges have opinions, but they are not facts.

Most of our laws are based on morality and will continue to be so.


4,902 posted on 04/06/2005 1:49:00 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (The Terri issue is legally complicated, but not the moral issue. I want to be on the side of life.)
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To: Modernman

If a God exist!?!? Why are you even on FR? I mean, yes, you can post here, but why waste your time on this board? Have you read FR's mission statement?


4,903 posted on 04/06/2005 1:50:27 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (The Terri issue is legally complicated, but not the moral issue. I want to be on the side of life.)
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To: yellowdoghunter
If a God exist!?!? Why are you even on FR? I mean, yes, you can post here, but why waste your time on this board? Have you read FR's mission statement?

I've read it. What's your point? Freepers are not required to accept every single point of the FR mission statement. There are plenty of conservative agnostic and atheist Freepers.

4,904 posted on 04/06/2005 1:52:11 PM PDT by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Modernman
If a Judeo-Christian god does exist, I do not have enough hubris to attempt to speak for him.

Plenty of hubris to go around...
4,905 posted on 04/06/2005 2:20:53 PM PDT by cryptical
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To: Randjuke
Mr. Smithee, from the tone of your post and your tagline, I question whether you and I could have a productive discussion.

Oh my God...it's Kreskin! Hey, everybody! The Amazing Kreskin's a Freeper!

As you can see, I have a tendency to be sarcastic, but I was not in my reply to your post. "The tone of my post" was asking an honest question; I don't know what "freedoms" were threatened by a Federal review of an unusual (if not a unique) situation when the only lasting effect could have been saving the life of someone whose supposed death wish is based solely on hearsay. In this case, the hearsay of someone who wanted his incapacitated (and replaced) wife to die from a urinary tract infection he suggested she wouldn't want treated.

Saying that such a review -- one that the Fed Courts denied anyway -- was an infringement on "freedom" is like saying that clemency granted convicted killers fully exonerated by DNA evidence somehow violates someone's "freedom."

I note that you modified your initial statement from "people seem willing to give up freedoms in other areas purely to extend one person's life" to "[the] potential for any loss of individual freedoms" (italics mine). This suggests that the argument you wish to put forward -- should you have the courage -- will be a "slippery slope" one rather than an examination of what has been lost as a result of what actually occurred. You might surprise me with an apple-apple comparison, but I'm expecting to be served an apple-orange fruit cocktail. Keep this in mind: Dianne Feinstein had the courage to admit that she couldn't find any evidence of "freedoms" lost due to the Patriot Act.

As for my tagline: I don't care which side you are on, if your skin didn't crawl when watching George Felos, you're a skeleton! The same guy who endlessly suggested his opponents were seeing only what they wanted to see in Terri's eye movements and moans was telling the world how "beautiful" and "peaceful" Terri looked as she was starving to death. Then, at the post-mortem press conference, like a forensics professor who was a little too enthusiastic about his work, Felos described in vivid detail "Terri's death process," and the way he could tell parts of Terri's body were shutting down, all the while saying how nice she looked with her stuffed cat by her side.

It's interesting to me the way that some who decry the Schindlers' enlisting of Randall Terry and say the Schiavo legislation was a power play by the religious right seem to be able to swallow all of Felos' new age weirdness without a second thought. What Felos has written about his ability to read souls of comatose and unborn persons tops the nuttiest things said by John Edwards as a trial lawyer.

If you just want to play one-upsmanship, let's quit now.

I don't know what that means, either. "One-upsmanship?" And you want to quit before you have answered a simple, honest question?

4,906 posted on 04/06/2005 2:33:29 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Honestly - would anybody be surprised if it was revealed George Felos is a necrophiliac?)
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To: L.N. Smithee
It's interesting to me the way that some who decry the Schindlers' enlisting of Randall Terry and say the Schiavo legislation was a power play by the religious right seem to be able to swallow all of Felos' new age weirdness without a second thought

This is a perfect example of the weird type of "reasoning" that has taken hold here on FR and why this site is in fact losing credibility. Point one does not mean point two must be so. One can disdain both Randall Terry and Felos.

Seems simple, but there has indeed been a sick game going on here and it is not a good thing.

And the fact the I am observing an abandoning of logical and deductive thought here does not therefore mean I advocated removal of the feeding tube (a very common leap of "logic" that we see repeated constantly).

4,907 posted on 04/06/2005 2:54:04 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
Point one does not mean point two must be so.

Yes, it does -- if your agenda is to smother any rational thought.

4,908 posted on 04/06/2005 2:58:09 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: yellowdoghunter; Modernman

Next she'll tell you FReepers are also required to be Christian as well.


4,909 posted on 04/06/2005 2:58:50 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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To: L.N. Smithee

Thanks, Mr Smithee, I think you've effectively answered my concerns.


4,910 posted on 04/06/2005 3:02:31 PM PDT by Randjuke
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To: L.N. Smithee
L.N. Smithee?

Are you the famous movie director? I've seen several of your films, and as a rule, they're generally pretty bad. What's Up with that??

A little off topic, but at this point, I don't know that it matters.

4,911 posted on 04/06/2005 3:05:24 PM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: Randjuke
Thanks, Mr Smithee, I think you've effectively answered my concerns.

You still haven't effectively answered my questions. Do you intend to?

4,912 posted on 04/06/2005 3:09:39 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Honestly - would anybody be surprised if it was revealed George Felos is a necrophiliac?)
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To: Long Cut

Anyone know what the record for the most replies to a thread is?


4,913 posted on 04/06/2005 3:15:10 PM PDT by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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To: sharktrager; malakhi
Anyone know what the record for the most replies to a thread is?

I think that honor goes to malakhi's Neverending Story.

4,914 posted on 04/06/2005 3:16:30 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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To: Howlin
Yes, it does -- if your agenda is to smother any rational thought.

Rational thought was thrown out the window long ago.

4,915 posted on 04/06/2005 3:27:32 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: sharktrager

Over 42,000.


4,916 posted on 04/06/2005 3:30:00 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love in skin, and hair, and bones, get a shelter dog.)
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To: cyncooper
This is a perfect example of the weird type of "reasoning" that has taken hold here on FR and why this site is in fact losing credibility.

What??? Who is the arbiter of credibility? Did you volunteer yourself for that position?

Point one does not mean point two must be so. One can disdain both Randall Terry and Felos.

One can. I haven't seen one do.

Admittedly, I haven't read every post of every thread of regarding the Schiavo controversy (who could?), but I haven't once read anyone who was in favor of the removal of the tube write anything to the effect of, "I think Felos is right, but he gives me the creeps." On the other hand, I did read at least one post that suggested that Randall Terry was tacitly responsible for the assassination of abortionists.

You know that there is a sizable contingent of Freepers who fear conservatism has been hijacked by Christian activists who -- say they -- want to institute a "theocracy" in the USA, going as far as to suggest they want "Taliban-style" laws. I don't ever remember any of those types asking, 'What will furthering Felos' agenda bring us?'

And the fact the I am observing an abandoning of logical and deductive thought here

[L.N. rolls eyes]

does not therefore mean I advocated removal of the feeding tube (a very common leap of "logic" that we see repeated constantly).

............Well? You want to tell me where you stood? Or do you want me to draw a conclusion so you can criticize my prejudice?

4,917 posted on 04/06/2005 3:30:45 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Honestly - would anybody be surprised if it was revealed George Felos is a necrophiliac?)
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To: Trinity_Tx
Trinity, You're not thinking of leaving are you!?? I know I've missed some pieces of this thread, but PLEASE don't think of leaving!!!

Take a break for a bit if you have to, but don't leave.

4,918 posted on 04/06/2005 4:05:00 PM PDT by meema (member WPPFF)
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To: All

Did I imagine this or did Fox News just do a story about Erik Rudolph jury selction? If we want a grand finale for FR here it is!


4,919 posted on 04/06/2005 4:26:04 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: unbalanced but fair

I agree too. Your post #4426 and the answers in posts #4427 and #4428 answered a lot of questions, too. Not to mention JR's vanity.
Guess that tells all of us...


4,920 posted on 04/06/2005 4:26:31 PM PDT by meema (member WPPFF)
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